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Trump administration 2024-2028

no country obsesses more about another country than Canada does with the US.
Consider the amount that Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Poland, Ukraine, and Georgia consider Russia within the context of their own domestic situation and tell us again that Canada is an outlier in its level of concern/reflection for a comparatively powerful and non-benevolent neighbour.
 
AI also says 20K to 500K.

Maybe we should figure out what the actual number is before we start rounding up people in parks and Home Depots.

Quite the leap from "do more" to "rounding people up"
 
OK. I notice that "overstays" and "asylum rejected" indicate the people at least entered the country legally, though.

Acknowledged it is a level less indignant than initially entering illegally. Nonetheless, they are now breaking the law. It's not at scale with what the US is dealing with, but the problem does exist. It is a question of priorities and depending on the actual number would dictate how high it is on the priority scale. I don't see anyone lighting their hair on fire over it at this time but Canadian tradition is to ignore problems until they fester.
 
Quite the leap from "do more" to "rounding people up"
It’s what the US is doing. It’s what Quirky suggested we do.

The leap is that we should do what they do because they do it.
 
Have a read - Trump and team are totally disconnected with reality.

Once the US loses its farm labourers, they will face large negative consequences - food shortages - and it will have a ripple affect on us as we'll pay the price in huge price increases and shortages.

The old Roman Emperors knew that without 'Bread and Circuses' the rabble would come for their heads. History loves to repeat itself.

Trump says ‘no amnesty’ for migrant farm workers after industry warns of disruption to food supply​

Trump has received complaints from farmers that the administration’s immigration raids have negatively impacted the agricultural industry. Some in the industry have gone so far as to warn of a disruption in the food supply.
Last week, Trump indicated he may defer to farmers who hire migrants without legal status. During an event in Iowa, he said, “They know better.”
During the speech, Trump said the administration is developing legislation to allow some undocumented migrants to remain in the U.S. to work on farms.

“We've got to give the farmers the people they need, but we’re not talking amnesty,” said the president.

Rollins said the program would protect farmers and ensure they have the workers they need, but added that it would not deliver amnesty.

I can't underscore enough, there will be no amnesty. The mass deportations continue, but in a strategic way.”

“And we move the workforce toward automation and 100 percent American participation, which with 34 million able-bodied on Medicaid, we should be able to do fairly quickly,” Rollins added.
According to figures from the Department of Homeland Security, roughly 42 percent of farm workers didn’t have legal status between 2020 and 2022.
California farmer Lisa Tate told Reuters last month, “In the fields, I would say 70 percent of the workers are gone.”

"If 70 percent of your workforce doesn't show up, 70 percent of your crop doesn't get picked and can go bad in one day,” she added. “Most Americans don't want to do this work. Most farmers here are barely breaking even. I fear this has created a tipping point where many will go bust."
Last month, the president appeared on Sunday Morning Futures with Maria Bartiromo on Fox News, saying he wants to help farmers and that the administration would develop a program to hand migrant workers a “temporary pass” to stay in the country.

“I’m the strongest immigration guy that there’s ever been, but I’m also the strongest farmer guy that there’s ever been, and that includes also hotels and, you know, places where people work, a certain group of people works,” said Trump.

“We’re working on it right now,” he added. “We’re going to work it so that, some kind of a temporary pass, where people pay taxes, where the farmer can have a little control as opposed to you walk in and take everybody away.”

So again - zero repercussions to the farmers/owners for hiring illegal immigrants and 'taking away' jobs from Americans but deport, deport and deport all the illegal farm workers that are keeping the entire US (and parts of Canada) with the food they help put on the table.


EDIT:

Rollins suggests Medicaid recipients can replace deported farmworkers​


Good luck with that - I've said this a number of times in the past - if the unemployed of Windsor aren't willing to take previously offered, free transportation to Harrow/Kingsville/Leamington for FT jobs at the greenhouses, why would the US expect that their Medicaid receipts would be any better?

I bet Trump’s next move is to entice farm families to have 10-12 kids to work the fields!
That’ll show em!!
 
I bet Trump’s next move is to entice farm families to have 10-12 kids to work the fields!
That’ll show em!!
Real talk though, a top priority should be encouraging families to have more children. Tough to do in today's economy but straight up paying mothers might be a solution. The biggest problem of child raising in the West is its so damned expensive. Frankly its an issue of national survival as eventually we will run out of qualified immigrants and our social services rely on the next generation being more productive than the last to keep them solvent.
 
Prison camps are a fine source of unpaid labour.

You know, it wouldn't surprise me if, after they round up all these "criminals", they put them to work where they choose.

Or at least where it benefits the government most.
 
All the farm owners are crying that you’re rounding up their cheap labour pool. What does the government do?

Provide free labour to said farm owners with unpaid immigration detainee labour. Make slavery great again!
 
Consider the amount that Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Poland, Ukraine, and Georgia consider Russia within the context of their own domestic situation and tell us again that Canada is an outlier in its level of concern/reflection for a comparatively powerful and non-benevolent neighbour.
Did the US really occupy Canada during WWII?
 
Prison camps are a fine source of unpaid labour.
There are already people warning of these.

But the apologists, who insisted concentration camps were never going to happen and cautioned against "being hysterical", will soon be along to insist that slave labour camps are not going to happen and that we should not "get hysterical."
 
There are already people warning of these.

But the apologists, who insisted concentration camps were never going to happen and cautioned against "being hysterical", will soon be along to insist that slave labour camps are not going to happen and that we should not "get hysterical."
If the US Farmers are the ones 'put in charge' of which illegals are 'good workers' vs 'bad workers or criminals' and 'protect' them from ICE raids, is that much different than the slave farm labourers that the Nazi's had throughout Greater Germany during the war. I mean, what rights will these illegal workers have in terms of work conditions, pay, harassment and other violations if their American farm owner/employer in essence becomes their 'new master/caregiver'?
 

Good luck, that's a whole lot of damage that I doubt is going to be fixable until long after the Trump admin is gone.
 
If the US Farmers are the ones 'put in charge' of which illegals are 'good workers' vs 'bad workers or criminals' and 'protect' them from ICE raids, is that much different than the slave farm labourers that the Nazi's had throughout Greater Germany during the war. I mean, what rights will these illegal workers have in terms of work conditions, pay, harassment and other violations if their American farm owner/employer in essence becomes their 'new master/caregiver'?
America (indeed most civilisations throughout history) has been built on cheap labour held in low regard. The arc includes indentured servants (many of the original settlers), to slaves, to waves of marginalised immigrants (Irish, Scottish, Italian etc), all of whom provided a significant economic benefits to the ruling class.

The "illegal immigrants" that make entire sectors (agriculture etc) economically viable are just the latest to be exploited, despised, and absolutely essential.

So, the source of cheap labour will need to be replaced, one way or another.

Really glad I am an investor in a robotics company....and that I do not live in the US.
 
America (indeed most civilisations throughout history) has been built on cheap labour held in low regard. The arc includes indentured servants (many of the original settlers), to slaves, to waves of marginalised immigrants (Irish, Scottish, Italian etc), all of whom provided a significant economic benefits to the ruling class.

The "illegal immigrants" that make entire sectors (agriculture etc) economically viable are just the latest to be exploited, despised, and absolutely essential.

So, the source of cheap labour will need to be replaced, one way or another.

Really glad I am an investor in a robotics company....and that I do not live in the US.
I've seen a pretty cool YouTube video of some sort of farm combine fitted with lasers(!) that, when the combine drives up and down the rows, uses the lasers to burn any weed that dares to grow among the crop.

Automation will continue to grow in the agro sector but its a long long way away from being cost effective for 'delicate' corps and low value crops.
 
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