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The BC forest sector needs to invest in machinery so they can fill orders from other parts of the world and maybe the government can lend a helping hand to move them towards this.
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daftandbarmy
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One of the main issues is that there are no NDP MLAs in the rural/forest sector dependent parts BC.
None of the latte sipping, NDP voting, man bun/ Birkenstock wearing, tree hugging folks in urban BC care.
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So the BC NDPs have out-Toronto’d Toronto?
FSTO
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Lots of questions regarding this interaction between the USCG and a Quebec fisherman.
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The Coasties are typically better mariners than the USN and overall nicer people so this whole incident is weird.
Canadian man furious after U.S. Coast Guard cross 'border' to arrest him
The detention of 60-year-old Edouard Lallemand has prompted outrage from him and his wife and raised questions about enforcement on shared waterways.
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The Coasties are typically better mariners than the USN and overall nicer people so this whole incident is weird.
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Quick map recce says there are multiple reference points to identify where the boundary exists (the Missisquoi Delta and the point just to the west of it, come to mind).
If the gentleman is correct in that he knows the area and has fished there before, I am likely to believe him that the USCG erred in their assessment of the situation.
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Oldgateboatdriver
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I refer you to my post in the Canada/US Border Integrity thread.
FSTO: There is little current in Missisquoi Bay as it is not connected to the Richelieu River. Any current there comes from the Missisquoi River, which is a pretty trickle at this time of the year. Moreover, in the Richelieu River affected portion, the current makes you drift towards Canada, not the US. The Richelieu River empties the Lake Champlain into the St. Lawrence River, not the other way around.
FSTO: There is little current in Missisquoi Bay as it is not connected to the Richelieu River. Any current there comes from the Missisquoi River, which is a pretty trickle at this time of the year. Moreover, in the Richelieu River affected portion, the current makes you drift towards Canada, not the US. The Richelieu River empties the Lake Champlain into the St. Lawrence River, not the other way around.
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P.S.: The gentleman could not have been 10 miles inside Canadian waters as the whole bay is only 7.5 Km deep, calculated from the border.
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You seem familiar with the area, do you think its more plausible he ended up in the States accidentally, was there illegally or the Coasties accidentally entered Canada?
With socks. Not that I’ve tried.
To your point though, urban and rural BC may as well be different countries.
Yep, probably worse to some extent. Price of urban real estate/cost of living has extended the latte sippers’ influence due to urban sprawl. No better example for this than Squamish. More like North/West Vancouver than the Squamish of even twenty years ago. My aunt and uncle who had been there since ‘79 couldn’t take it anymore and moved to Sechelt.
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Lots of border communities have had unofficial "agreements" for decades which, in the current environment, may no longer be observed. I would not be surprised if the occasional angler 200' inside US territorial waters was winked at before, but not any more.
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'What kind of BC resident are you?' Is a phrase that comes to mind...
Frustrated resource-dependent voters turf urban-centric BC NDP
The erasure of the BC NDP in much of the north and interior, as well as the breach of their Vancouver Island fortress, reveals a growing frustration – if not alienation – with the rapidly urbanizing NDP
The Oct. 19 election didn’t just confirm the rural-urban divide in B.C. politics, it expanded it.
The NDP’s rural caucus shrank to its smallest in a generation. While the BC Conservatives skyrocketed from zero MLAs elected under the party banner in 2020, to 44 ridings won last month. The Conservatives succeeded in capturing, and capitalizing on, the frustrations of voters who rely on resource industries to feed their families, pay their mortgages, and send their children to university.
Frustrated resource-dependent voters turf urban-centric BC NDP
Embracing the BC Conservatives, resource-dependent regions revealed a growing alienation with the rapidly urbanizing BC NDP.
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Oldgateboatdriver
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I think that this event probably took place at or near the border. On which side, I do not know, and unless one of the parties has a system that properly recorded position for legal purposes, we will never know as it would be one's word against the other. While the Coat Guard boats at Burlington, VT (the station for the Lake) have GPS, I do not know if they have recording equipment.
Here is the largest of the two boats they operate, so you be the judge:
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FSTO
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My bad. I blame it on the
beaucoup de biers at the les bar terraces overlooking the Richelieu. I was sure the flow was north to south?
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You are far from the first one to make that mistake. People look at the map, with the Richelieu being an almost perfectly North-South river, and remembering their early childhood education (water always flows down), assume that the flow is North to South.
Early in my law career, I worked at a law firm specializing in insurance work for general and commercial insurance companies. Most people don't know that but your liability as a boater is covered under your home owner's insurance, and since most boating incidents/accidents involve boaters on boaters, it is general insurance law firms that do most of those cases, not maritime law firms. As a result, most of these cases involve statements of claim that clearly originate in residential insurance law firms, with statements like "did not act reasonably, didn't do anything to prevent ... but actually did everything to cause it, etc. etc.".
One day, the lawyer who handled most of these case at the firm went on maternity leave, so , knowing my background, the partners decided to hand me the cases. I looked them over ... and started amending the statement of claims with allegations such as "our client was the stand-on vessel, while the other side was the give-way one"; or, "the vessel failed to show proper lights at night and failed to keep proper lookout", and always threw in "did not take the precautions of prudent seaman".
Well , some of the other firms smelled that something had changed and handed the files over to maritime law lawyers. They knew their maritime law and Rules of the Road better, but few were actually seamen. One of the cases involved a collision on the Richelieu River. We start informal settlement discussions with the other side maritime law lawyer and I get him to agree with me that the applicable rule is for waterways with current and therefore, the vessel going against the current is the Give-way vessel and the one with the current is the Stand-on. Then I get him to agree the fact that my client was coming from Lake Champlain towards St-Jean, while his client was doing the reverse.
At that point, I can feel in his demeanor that he his gleeful and certain that he got me. I then pop the final blow: The Richelieu River flows South to North, so his client is the Give-way vessel. He stops dead in his track and say he'll call me back. The next day, I got a full settlement.
Early in my law career, I worked at a law firm specializing in insurance work for general and commercial insurance companies. Most people don't know that but your liability as a boater is covered under your home owner's insurance, and since most boating incidents/accidents involve boaters on boaters, it is general insurance law firms that do most of those cases, not maritime law firms. As a result, most of these cases involve statements of claim that clearly originate in residential insurance law firms, with statements like "did not act reasonably, didn't do anything to prevent ... but actually did everything to cause it, etc. etc.".
One day, the lawyer who handled most of these case at the firm went on maternity leave, so , knowing my background, the partners decided to hand me the cases. I looked them over ... and started amending the statement of claims with allegations such as "our client was the stand-on vessel, while the other side was the give-way one"; or, "the vessel failed to show proper lights at night and failed to keep proper lookout", and always threw in "did not take the precautions of prudent seaman".
Well , some of the other firms smelled that something had changed and handed the files over to maritime law lawyers. They knew their maritime law and Rules of the Road better, but few were actually seamen. One of the cases involved a collision on the Richelieu River. We start informal settlement discussions with the other side maritime law lawyer and I get him to agree with me that the applicable rule is for waterways with current and therefore, the vessel going against the current is the Give-way vessel and the one with the current is the Stand-on. Then I get him to agree the fact that my client was coming from Lake Champlain towards St-Jean, while his client was doing the reverse.
At that point, I can feel in his demeanor that he his gleeful and certain that he got me. I then pop the final blow: The Richelieu River flows South to North, so his client is the Give-way vessel. He stops dead in his track and say he'll call me back. The next day, I got a full settlement.
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Erm…I feel dirty defending the NDP, but they have seats in the Kootenays, Vernon, North Coast and Vancouver Island outside of Victoria, which have significant forest industry activity.
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Part of the issue is that overall employment per mill has decreased drastically in the last 30 years. Same within the logging front. And trucking front.
When I started my carear a log truck often only hauled 40m3 of wood....now I'm looking at 10 axle B-trains hauling 60m3 summer weight. Two of those trucks = one less driver.
Bunchers and skidders are bigger and more productive...and light years ahead of hand falling.
Sawmills don't even slab off the outer wood...its' chipped off so less handling, higher product return (chipped into pulp sized chips) and all automated log orientation. Lumber grading is now fully automatic. Even lumber stacker and wrapper jobs are automated in some mills.
End result is much lower employment per mill x mill expansion (making them even more sensitive to market conditions) = less votes at risk. Compounded by mostly urban growth changing seat weightings towards cities....
Will note it's a similar story in most Canadian provinces and not unique to BC.
So after the bad news what could be done?
1) change the tenure system from its' current annual dues rate (based upon preceeding years market prices) to a monthly like Alberta. This allows a much more responsive change to market conditions.
2) Bridge weights and infrastructure. Truck loads of all types are increasing but many crossings have not kept pace. This means expensive equipment can't always operate at full capacity depending on the route
3) Re-examine tenure policies around pre-commercial and commercial thinning especially around communities. I will note this comment I could apply to pretty much any province but when you look at European practices on high quality sites they are retrieving a significant amount of smaller diameter wood from these practices and these are a major component of their pulp industry. Generating more from the forest while reducing fuel for fires is a win in my book....but god is it a challenge to do from so many aspects.
4) Go back to the federal government and align First Nation Consultation. Ensure that a single set of referrals is needed for a project...not a referral for the provincial approval and then a separate, independent consultation by the Federal Government with the same groups. DFO I'm looking at you.
5) Clarify First Nation consultation practices between provinces and Federal gov't. Why are there different communities recognized differently between the two levels of Crown?
6) Coordinate with the rail companies to build more loading yards. It's amazing how many BC truck loads I see come to Alberta to be loaded at Edmonton...or Alberta loads I see going to Vancouver...due to loading yard space and rail car availability. Need more cars being loaded closer to mills to reduce overall hauling costs and drop expenses.