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Trump administration 2024-2028

daftandbarmy said:
No, but revenge is a dish best served cold... or so I've heard:


Why Donald Trump is obsessed with Portland​

Portland is the latest American city where Trump said he’ll send the military. But his fixation on Oregon is different.


Five years ago, rioters in Portland set fire to government buildings, epitomizing for many on the right the lawlessness and chaos that swirled around the George Floyd protests.

President Donald Trump never forgot.

On Saturday, the president announced that he directed Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth to send U.S. troops to “War ravaged Portland” to protect “ICE facilities under siege from attack by Antifa, and other domestic terrorists.” He also gave the extraordinary addendum that he was greenlighting the use of “Full Force, if necessary” in an American city.

The president, his aides and allies have been increasingly focused on Portland over the last several weeks, repeatedly referring to the city in apocalyptic terms that call back to the summer of 2020, when protesters gathered against police violence for more than 170 days.

Many demonstrations that summer were peaceful, but some people looted shops, tore down statues and clashed with police. Trump deployed more than 750 Department of Homeland Security officials into the city to quell riots without the approval of state and local officials.

On Thursday, in the Oval Office, Trump pointed to Portland for at least the third time in recent weeks as an example of a city in despair.

“Take a look at Portland some time,” Trump said. “These are crazy people, and they’re trying to burn down buildings.”

The president’s fixation with Portland — which has a far lower homicide rate than places like Memphis, Washington and Chicago, where Trump has already deployed federal troops or threatened to do so — has as much to do with what the city represents as the protests against ICE currently taking place. The White House views Portland as a useful example in its law-and-order campaign — a city Trump officials can elevate to push forward their message on everything from immigration to crime to far-left violence.

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Imagine the rancour if Biden had threatened "full force" from the military in a domestic capacity. If this isn't a line in the sand for supposedly decent Republicans, they aren't decent. This is five alarm fire territory.
 
Brad Sallows said:
So where between "let the rioters riot" and "call out the army" is the preferred position?
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Seems like if the bulk* of residents and their elected local and state governments don't care, and there's no unique federal interest (i.e., not in the capital, nor at, say, a border crossing) shrug and move on to any one of the infinity of problems where someone is asking for federal involvement. If there's federal buildings, secure them, sure, but otherwise if the locals fancy being French for a while, leave them to it.

Triply so in a country that's fifty sovereign duchies in a sack.

* You'll always find someone irritated by any conceivable civic choice, factoid, circumstance, faction, etc., whether current or twenty years settled.
 
Jarnhamar said:
There's nothing to worry about Mills Bomb. It's perfectly normal presidential stuff to call in the military after Portlands mayor ordered police NOT to arrest protestors, including illegal aliens, for breaking the law because arresting illegal aliens could violate the cities sanctuary city status.
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Got any reference for this? I'm searching and can't find it.
Also, do you actually know what being a sanctuary city/state means? It doesn't mean they don't arrest illegal immigrants. If they break local or state laws, they will still be arrested, it's only that they won't support the feds in immigration enforcement, which is already something they aren't allowed to do on their own volition.
 
Portlands mayor ordered police NOT to arrest protestors, including illegal aliens, for breaking the law because arresting illegal aliens could violate the cities sanctuary city status.
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www.bbc.com

Portland mayor defends handling of violent protest

City hall denies claims that it placed political "handcuffs" on officers as "false narratives".
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com
www.opb.org

Portland places new restrictions on federally deputized police officers

Portland’s City Council unanimously voted to place new limits on the federally deputized city police Wednesday, barring officers from taking orders from federal law enforcement or making arrests under federal law.
www.opb.org
portlandtribune.com

Wilson: Police not helping ICE and Portland doesn't need National Guard - The Portland Tribune

Portland Mayor Keith Wilson defended the Portland Police Bueau’s handling of protesters at the U.S. Immigration and Custom Enforcement building in South Portland and said the city does not need help from the National Guard following overnight clashes there. Police responded to a tense situation...
portlandtribune.com portlandtribune.com
 
quadrapiper said:
Seems like if the bulk* of residents and their elected local and state governments don't care
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If I lived on one of a handful of affected blocks, I wouldn't care very much what the laissez-faire opinion of the rest of the city, state, or country was. I'd want laws enforced and order restored.
 
Lumber said:
Got any reference for this? I'm searching and can't find it.
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Sadly no, you got me.
Lumber said:
Also, do you actually know what being a sanctuary city/state means? It doesn't mean they don't arrest illegal immigrants. If they break local or state laws, they will still be arrested, it's only that they won't support the feds in immigration enforcement, which is already something they aren't allowed to do on their own volition.
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Local governments are not universally prohibited from aiding immigration enforcement, they simply are not compelled to do so.
 
Rifleman62 said:
www.bbc.com

Portland mayor defends handling of violent protest

City hall denies claims that it placed political "handcuffs" on officers as "false narratives".
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com
www.opb.org

Portland places new restrictions on federally deputized police officers

Portland’s City Council unanimously voted to place new limits on the federally deputized city police Wednesday, barring officers from taking orders from federal law enforcement or making arrests under federal law.
www.opb.org
portlandtribune.com

Wilson: Police not helping ICE and Portland doesn't need National Guard - The Portland Tribune

Portland Mayor Keith Wilson defended the Portland Police Bueau’s handling of protesters at the U.S. Immigration and Custom Enforcement building in South Portland and said the city does not need help from the National Guard following overnight clashes there. Police responded to a tense situation...
portlandtribune.com portlandtribune.com
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Two stories from 5 and 6 years ago, and neither indicated that the violence was beyond the abilities of local law enforcement to put down.
 
www.kgw.com

Trump seems to back off Portland military plan: 'Am I watching things on television that are different from what's happening?'

President Trump had said he will send troops to Portland to protect U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement facilities, which he said were "under attack."
www.kgw.com www.kgw.com

So it appears Trump may be getting his intel from the same place as our MAGA regulars: FOX news!

It appears that after speaking with Oregan Gov. Tina Kotek, he's now backing off the plan.

From the article:

"I spoke to the governor, she was very nice," Trump said. "But I said, 'Well wait a minute, am I watching things on television that are different from what's happening? My people tell me different.' They are literally attacking and there are fires all over the place...it looks like terrible."

This explains so much... I mean, I guess not that surprising considering he literally stacked his administration with FOX news talking heads.
 
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