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Trump administration 2024-2028

So, the beef that the Reagan Foundation has with this is honestly kind of legit; they DID modify his radio address. However, two key things about what they did in their add:

1. They only removed a few lines that were not critical to the overall message. In the radio address, he talks about a lot of specifics about their trade situation with Japan, but details and expositions such as these are wedged between his overall comments/opinion on tariffs and free trade. They basically just made it shorter so as to fit in a TV commercial time-frame.
2. The overall "Raegan message" portrayed by the Ad is the exact same as that conveyed in his full radio address: Free Trade Good; Tariffs bad.

However, Trump's post make it sound like they took his address completely out of context, or modified it so much as to change the overall message. To wit, they presented a "fake" Raegan position statement. And, his supporters will absolutely believe him (because people are stupid; see my post in the LPC thread).

We are so fucked.

Full Radio Address for reference:

My fellow Americans:

Prime Minister Nakasone of Japan will be visiting me here at the White House next week. It's an important visit, because while I expect to take up our relations with our good friend Japan, which overall remain excellent, recent disagreements between our two countries on the issue of trade will also be high on our agenda.

As perhaps you've heard, last week I placed new duties on some Japanese products in response to Japan's inability to enforce their trade agreement with us on electronic devices called semiconductors. Now, imposing such tariffs or trade barriers and restrictions of any kind are steps that I am loath to take. And in a moment I'll mention the sound economic reasons for this: that over the long run such trade barriers hurt every American worker and consumer. But the Japanese semiconductors were a special case. We had clear evidence that Japanese companies were engaging in unfair trade practices that violated an agreement between Japan and the United States. We expect our trading partners to live up to their agreements. As I've often said: Our commitment to free trade is also a commitment to fair trade.

But you know, in imposing these tariffs we were just trying to deal with a particular problem, not begin a trade war. So, next week I'll be giving Prime Minister Nakasone this same message: We want to continue to work cooperatively on trade problems and want very much to lift these trade restrictions as soon as evidence permits. We want to do this, because we feel both Japan and the United States have an obligation to promote the prosperity and economic development that only free trade can bring.

Now, that message of free trade is one I conveyed to Canada's leaders a few weeks ago, and it was warmly received there. Indeed, throughout the world there's a growing realization that the way to prosperity for all nations is rejecting protectionist legislation and promoting fair and free competition. Now, there are sound historical reasons for this. For those of us who lived through the Great Depression, the memory of the suffering it caused is deep and searing. And today many economic analysts and historians argue that high tariff legislation passed back in that period called the Smoot-Hawley tariff greatly deepened the depression and prevented economic recovery.

You see, at first, when someone says, ``Let's impose tariffs on foreign imports,'' it looks like they're doing the patriotic thing by protecting American products and jobs. And sometimes for a short while it works -- but only for a short time. What eventually occurs is: First, homegrown industries start relying on government protection in the form of high tariffs. They stop competing and stop making the innovative management and technological changes they need to succeed in world markets. And then, while all this is going on, something even worse occurs. High tariffs inevitably lead to retaliation by foreign countries and the triggering of fierce trade wars. The result is more and more tariffs, higher and higher trade barriers, and less and less competition. So, soon, because of the prices made artificially high by tariffs that subsidize inefficiency and poor management, people stop buying. Then the worst happens: Markets shrink and collapse; businesses and industries shut down; and millions of people lose their jobs.

The memory of all this occurring back in the thirties made me determined when I came to Washington to spare the American people the protectionist legislation that destroys prosperity. Now, it hasn't always been easy. There are those in this Congress, just as there were back in the thirties, who want to go for the quick political advantage, who will risk America's prosperity for the sake of a short-term appeal to some special interest group, who forget that more than 5 million American jobs are directly tied to the foreign export business and additional millions are tied to imports. Well, I've never forgotten those jobs. And on trade issues, by and large, we've done well. In certain select cases, like the Japanese semiconductors, we've taken steps to stop unfair practices against American products, but we've still maintained our basic, long-term commitment to free trade and economic growth.

So, with my meeting with Prime Minister Nakasone and the Venice economic summit coming up, it's terribly important not to restrict a President's options in such trade dealings with foreign governments. Unfortunately, some in the Congress are trying to do exactly that. I'll keep you informed on this dangerous legislation, because it's just another form of protectionism and I may need your help to stop it. Remember, America's jobs and growth are at stake.

Until next week, thanks for listening, and God bless you.
 
So, the beef that the Reagan Foundation has with this is honestly kind of legit; they DID modify his radio address. However, two key things about what they did in their add:

1. They only removed a few lines that were not critical to the overall message. In the radio address, he talks about a lot of specifics about their trade situation with Japan, but details and expositions such as these are wedged between his overall comments/opinion on tariffs and free trade. They basically just made it shorter so as to fit in a TV commercial time-frame.
2. The overall "Raegan message" portrayed by the Ad is the exact same as that conveyed in his full radio address: Free Trade Good; Tariffs bad.

However, Trump's post make it sound like they took his address completely out of context, or modified it so much as to change the overall message. To wit, they presented a "fake" Raegan position statement. And, his supporters will absolutely believe him (because people are stupid; see my post in the LPC thread).

We are so fucked.

Full Radio Address for reference:
Basically I read this as him looking for a way to cut off negotiations. He would have found something, so he went with the lie with the slimmest piece of truth as a casus belli.
 
Basically I read this as him looking for a way to cut off negotiations. He would have found something, so he went with the lie with the slimmest piece of truth as a casus belli.
100%

Trump latching onto this is entirely a ploy to force Canada to apologize for his predecessor's words.

It's shitty trade negotiations. It's America trying to bully Canada.... We should be avoiding "American" brands as much as possible, despite the fact most brands and "global".
 
TBH, I suspect the Ronald Reagan Foundation actually didn’t give a flying fright until they saw this as a way to get back into Trumps good books. There has been a considerably active effort by many MAGA and the Young Republicans to discredit Reagan and move the party away from his accomplishments. Reagan’s political theories are widely seen as misguided and harmful to MAGA.
 
TBH, I suspect the Ronald Reagan Foundation actually didn’t give a flying fright until they saw this as a way to get back into Trumps good books. There has been a considerably active effort by many MAGA and the Young Republicans to discredit Reagan and move the party away from his accomplishments. Reagan’s political theories are widely seen as misguided and harmful to MAGA.
All that to say I really wonder who put the idea to them that they should issue such spurious statement.
We should fully expect Trump will detonate CUSMA long before the expiry date.
 
100%

Trump latching onto this is entirely a ploy to force Canada to apologize for his predecessor's words.

It's shitty trade negotiations. It's America trying to bully Canada.... We should be avoiding "American" brands as much as possible, despite the fact most brands and "global".
They are worried, very worried, that they are going to lose the Supreme Court ruling that is pending. It will up end their entire tariff platform and will put massive amounts of egg on their face.
 
Running ads ahead of negotiations against your trade counterpart, especially a character like Trump, is not going to lead to a good start. What a stupid idea.
 
Running ads ahead of negotiations against your trade counterpart, especially a character like Trump, is not going to lead to a good start. What a stupid idea.
Trump is not the only person to be influenced here. The federal executive is not the only branch or level of government in play.

The judiciary will not be impacted by radio ads. The federal executive appears like it will just tantrum over it.

Congress, however, is still very much in play. A lot of Republicans also still fancy themselves conservatives, and Reagan economic conservatism still has a cherished place in some conservative circles. Congressional representatives have constituents and businesses in their districts hurt by this.

At the state level, governors and attorneys general are certainly interested and engaged in trade. In some cases they lobby the feds, or they submit filings to the ongoing court proceedings.

If the Supreme Court strikes down some of Trump’s tariffs, he will need to try again with other tools, legally weaker ones, or ones that rely on the ability to reach legislative consensus.

There is a lot to target with influence here, and so much of it starts with convincing voters of the truth- that their president’s unwise economic choices are hitting their pocketbooks.
 
Trump is not the only person to be influenced here. The federal executive is not the only branch or level of government in play.

The judiciary will not be impacted by radio ads. The federal executive appears like it will just tantrum over it.

Congress, however, is still very much in play. A lot of Republicans also still fancy themselves conservatives, and Reagan economic conservatism still has a cherished place in some conservative circles. Congressional representatives have constituents and businesses in their districts hurt by this.

At the state level, governors and attorneys general are certainly interested and engaged in trade. In some cases they lobby the feds, or they submit filings to the ongoing court proceedings.

If the Supreme Court strikes down some of Trump’s tariffs, he will need to try again with other tools, legally weaker ones, or ones that rely on the ability to reach legislative consensus.

There is a lot to target with influence here, and so much of it starts with convincing voters of the truth- that their president’s unwise economic choices are hitting their pocketbooks.
These ads have been running since 16 October, that’s 1 week ago.
Why come out at the middle of the night 1 week later?
I’ll try you why, because it’s to counter our move on imposing import restrictions on GM and Chrysler. Go and look on the US news outlets, none of them are carrying that story, none of them. It’s been buried by Trump coming out 2-3hrs later with this story.
Trump knew about the ads put out by Ford, I bet even before they aired I’m 100% certain that the US news outlets gave Trump and team advance viewing of them.
Trump and team sat on them and wait and waited until they had the right moment to use them and they did.
 
Trump is not the only person to be influenced here. The federal executive is not the only branch or level of government in play.

The judiciary will not be impacted by radio ads. The federal executive appears like it will just tantrum over it.

Congress, however, is still very much in play. A lot of Republicans also still fancy themselves conservatives, and Reagan economic conservatism still has a cherished place in some conservative circles. Congressional representatives have constituents and businesses in their districts hurt by this.

At the state level, governors and attorneys general are certainly interested and engaged in trade. In some cases they lobby the feds, or they submit filings to the ongoing court proceedings.

If the Supreme Court strikes down some of Trump’s tariffs, he will need to try again with other tools, legally weaker ones, or ones that rely on the ability to reach legislative consensus.

There is a lot to target with influence here, and so much of it starts with convincing voters of the truth- that their president’s unwise economic choices are hitting their pocketbooks.
Before this happened I would have given a less than 35% chance of Canada lifting the crushing 100% surtax on Chinese EV’s but with Carney at the APEC summit and possibly meeting with XI Jinping, I’m moving that now up to a 50% chance.
 
Doug Ford is getting a lot of value with that ad. People all over the place are looking to watch it now.

It’s also ignited a conversation about the effects of tariffs etc etc

Not sure that was his intent but from an audience distribution point of view he’s getting great value.
 
Doug Ford is getting a lot of value with that ad. People all over the place are looking to watch it now.

It’s also ignited a conversation about the effects of tariffs etc etc

Not sure that was his intent but from an audience distribution point of view he’s getting great value.
Please spends the 3-4mins to watch this clip on CNBC - the gold standard of 'pro-business' news in the US. They are openly saying that the ad is good, its straight forward and it will ring true to many American views - and THAT is what is most likely upsetting Trump so much because so many Americans idolize Reagan and here is Reagan coming out so against tariffs.

 
A necessary read to understand the current administration and the seeming irrationality/ unreasonableness of their/his actions.


BLUF:
  • High level (but largely out of public eye) trump advisor wrote a highly theoretical playbook to redefining the world economic and financial order through tariffs and currency manipulation
  • Trump has bought into said playbook 110% and wants to stamp his role in history, feels entitled to it working
  • The world not following the script of said highly theoretical playbook provokes a visceral, petulant reaction a
In other terms- the 47 admin are this generation's equivalent to evangelical Leninist's seeking to reshape the world based on imposing an untested centrally administered economic theory, and don't react well to anything that points to them being wrong. It's bordering on religion, and using Reagan against them... it's heracy akin to having Marx on tape contradicting x foundational doctrine
 
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Doug Ford is getting a lot of value with that ad. People all over the place are looking to watch it now.

It’s also ignited a conversation about the effects of tariffs etc etc

Not sure that was his intent but from an audience distribution point of view he’s getting great value.

It aired during MLB and NFL games, got quiet a bit of reach.

But we should also note Trump waited until Friday to have a hissy fit. This wouldn't be the first, second, third, or forth time he's done something to manipulate things right before the market closes for the weekend.
 
Please spends the 3-4mins to watch this clip on CNBC - the gold standard of 'pro-business' news in the US. They are openly saying that the ad is good, its straight forward and it will ring true to many American views - and THAT is what is most likely upsetting Trump so much because so many Americans idolize Reagan and here is Reagan coming out so against tariffs.

Watched it. And I’m sure the fact that the ad was good, likely too good, irked him to no end.
 
Running ads ahead of negotiations against your trade counterpart, especially a character like Trump, is not going to lead to a good start. What a stupid idea.
Trump is the biggest most powerfully bully for at least 4.2 light years. He also behaves like a petulant child.

It should come as no surprise to anyone how he would respond to criticism, provocation, or even a colour he doesn't like.

I thought the message behind the add was great. Makes sense. Estimated $75M price tag to run the adds not so much.


At the end of the day Trump reacted exactly how anyone would come to expect he would react so people can blame the petulant child for having a tantrum or the adult who knew their action would cause the child to have a tantrum.
 
Trump is the biggest most powerfully bully for at least 4.2 light years. He also behaves like a petulant child.

It should come as no surprise to anyone how he would respond to criticism, provocation, or even a colour he doesn't like.

I thought the message behind the add was great. Makes sense. Estimated $75M price tag to run the adds not so much.


At the end of the day Trump reacted exactly how anyone would come to expect he would react so people can blame the petulant child for having a tantrum or the adult who knew their action would cause the child to have a tantrum.
Just wait until the Supreme Court strikes down his tariffs. He will go ballistic.
 
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