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Trump administration 2024-2028

QV said:
Is all that just like all the rest of the long list of fallacys related to Trump? Over fed coi fish, Russia collusion, destroy democracy by building addition on WH... blah blah blah.

Everyone will be ok. Really.
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Don't need to believe me, you can see the photos US border protection provided to BBC back in 2018 at a migrant detention center. The camp in the middle of the swamp was too extreme for even Florida judges that shut it down.

Trump migrant separation policy: Children 'in cages' in Texas

The Nazi comparisons do fall apart as they were at least really well turned out, while a lot of ICE agents are slobby looking assholes stuffed into tac vests rocking beat up pants and tshirts and afraid to show their faces.
 
Jarnhamar said:
I don't think appeasing bullies ever works out for the victims. If Canada is going to get beat up, and lets face it we are, I'd rather we at least keep our dignity.

Carney shouldn't apologize for the ad that was it was 110% accurate.
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I see this very much as good cop/bad cop operation from Carmey/Ford. I’m actually thinking more and more that they are playing for time and slow roll this until the SCOTUS makes its decision on the legality of the tariffs.
 
Brad Sallows said:
People think that by comparing contemporary figures to Nazis, or contemporary events to the Holocaust, they're accentuating the badness of contemporary figures. What they achieve is to desensitize people to what Nazis really were, and what the Holocaust really was.
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There are no contemporary comparators to the Holocaust. But the MAGA approach to governance does compare to Nazism. It doesn’t matter that that they have not yet attained the same level of authoritarianism, ethno-nationalism, militarization, partisan subordination of courts, etc.

The fact that there there is significant rhyming in the respective consolidation of power is something that merits discussion. The fact that there has is now a substantially politicized & militarization branch of police is something that merits discussion. Mass deportations and attempts to establish concentration camps is something that merits discussion.

I understand the first step to healing is to honestly and accurately acknowledge your problem. And It is too late to call a spade a spade if you insist on waiting for it to dig the first mass grave of a Holocaust (that may or may not ever come) while watching it entrench authoritarianism.
 
Navy_Pete said:
But when are using the same rhetoric from the late 1930s, down to propaganda posters, and slogans that allowed the Nazis to implement things like the Holocaust, we shouldn't mention that because they haven't actually genocided anyone yet?

The same crowd has already put little kids in dog kennel prisons and deported them to countries without their parents, and was building a concentration camp in a swamp until it got shut down, so it's not like there aren't obvious parallels. ICE chasing down brown people demanding papers, and arresting actual American citizens anyway because they 'look illegal' is current events.
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Propaganda posters were a feature in the US and elsewhere during WW II. Notwithstanding FDR's occasionally expressed appreciation of Italian-style (actual, by definition) fascism and some policies in the '30s that might be considered at least fascism-adjacent, the US was never (and still is not) a fascist country. It's possible to occasionally make grave human rights errors, like putting Japanese into internment camps or jumping the gun with emergency powers to round up mostly harmless protestors or passing over-broad legislation to go snooping into people's private communications and affairs, without being full-on fascist.

Illiberal government actions are just illiberal government actions at present, and are still being challenged in courts, and the courts are not simply rolling over in favour of the administration on every issue. There is no sign extra-governmental supporters (eg. party members) are putting on quasi-military/police uniforms and rousting whomever they decide is undesirable without consequences.
 
QV said:

Criminal Alien Program

www.ice.gov www.ice.gov

The Criminal Alien Program (CAP) supports U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO) in executing its mission to protect the homeland through the arrest and removal of aliens who threaten the safety of our nation’s communities and the integrity of U.S. immigration laws. CAP focuses on the identification, arrest, and removal of Incarcerated aliens at federal, state, and local levels, as well as at-large criminal aliens.

Through CAP, ERO takes criminal aliens into custody in a controlled environment, decreasing risks to officers, aliens, and the community. When ERO directly assumes custody of a criminal through CAP, it prevents the individual from being released back into the community where they may re-offend.

This sounds like a good program to me and is exactly what I would want my government to do.


Go ICE!

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I've always HATED the use of the word 'Alien' in the US. Straight away its an attempt to de-humanize a person by associating anyone who is not an American is therefore an 'Alien' and thus a non-human. Its absolutely sickening.
 
Is there any evidence Carney apologized or is the only source Donald Trump.
I could see Carney saying something like “unexpectedly … uggghhh … unhelpful to the hard work Mr Trump has graciously done for us.” You know, Pump and Trump sort of stuff that says one thing but is a coy statement,

“Transformational President” = he’s a radical idiot who has no ethical boundaries.
“Respectful Dialogue” = don’t argue with an idiot
“We can’t change what President Trump wants to do”- stay away from the dude with the economic suicide vest.
 
McG said:
There are no contemporary comparators to the Holocaust. But the MAGA approach to governance does compare to Nazism. It doesn’t matter that that they have not yet attained the same level of authoritarianism, ethno-nationalism, militarization, partisan subordination of courts, etc.

The fact that there there is significant rhyming in the respective consolidation of power is something that merits discussion. The fact that there has is now a substantially politicized & militarization branch of police is something that merits discussion. Mass deportations and attempts to establish concentration camps is something that merits discussion.

I understand the first step to healing is to honestly and accurately acknowledge your problem. And It is too late to call a spade a spade if you insist on waiting for it to dig the first mass grave of a Holocaust (that may or may not ever come) while watching it entrench authoritarianism.
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Rwanda is the closest thing in terms of scale and barbarism. The sheer number of one ethnic group that was slaughtered in under a year is mind numbing.
 
McG said:
There are no contemporary comparators to the Holocaust. But the MAGA approach to governance does compare to Nazism. It doesn’t matter that that they have not yet attained the same level of authoritarianism, ethno-nationalism, militarization, partisan subordination of courts, etc.
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"Except for all these things that haven't actually transpired yet, they're fascist!"
 
Czech_pivo said:
I've always HATED the use of the word 'Alien' in the US. Straight away its an attempt to de-humanize a person by associating anyone who is not an American is therefore an 'Alien' and thus a non-human. Its absolutely sickening.
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It’s actually the proper word from English common law when the concepts were phrased in Latin, and the Naturalization Act of 1790 was copied from British law as set out in BlackStones Commentaries in 1765.
 

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