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Trump administration 2024-2028

HavokFour said:
They'll need to do so soon. Though what I've read of what's been released is really bad already.
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If you're referring to the "three emails", so far they've got nothing. "Mentioned Trump" doesn't mean jack shit.

Their redacted victim is Giuffre, who denied any wrongdoing by Trump. It's her sworn testimony to specific questions against Epstein's ambiguous statement.

Wolff fishing for dirt doesn't prove there was any.

It's indeterminable whether "the girls" refers to some of Epstein's victims, or to Trump's employees. Obviously Trump knew about the threat to his employees if he told Epstein to bugger off, which is not to Trump's discredit.

As I've written before, if there was anything substantive to hang on Trump, it would've come out years ago. This vague hand-waving is the best they've managed in all that time.

I too hope for thorough release, but I can guess the Democrats are going to continue their efforts to mislead (eg. redacting a name not redacted in the original documents, for fucks' sakes) because I suppose a lot of other important people are going to end up looking a lot worse than Trump. So I can also guess the Democrats will only release a carefully shaped part of the story, suitable for consumption by people who have outsourced their thinking to Congressional Democrats.
 
Brad Sallows said:
If you're referring to the "three emails", so far they've got nothing. "Mentioned Trump" doesn't mean jack shit.

Their redacted victim is Giuffre, who denied any wrongdoing by Trump. It's her sworn testimony to specific questions against Epstein's ambiguous statement.

Wolff fishing for dirt doesn't prove there was any.

It's indeterminable whether "the girls" refers to some of Epstein's victims, or to Trump's employees. Obviously Trump knew about the threat to his employees if he told Epstein to bugger off, which is not to Trump's discredit.

As I've written before, if there was anything substantive to hang on Trump, it would've come out years ago. This vague hand-waving is the best they've managed in all that time.

I too hope for thorough release, but I can guess the Democrats are going to continue their efforts to mislead (eg. redacting a name not redacted in the original documents, for fucks' sakes) because I suppose a lot of other important people are going to end up looking a lot worse than Trump. So I can also guess the Democrats will only release a carefully shaped part of the story, suitable for consumption by people who have outsourced their thinking to Congressional Democrats.
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I am not.

I am talking about the 20,000 released by the GOP members of the committee shortly after those, which many paint a much different picture. Not sure why they released these (accident? attempt to oust?) because they don't help Trump at all. It's becoming clearer why they don't want to release the files.

GOP lawmakers release thousands of files related to Jeffrey Epstein

oversight.house.gov

Oversight Committee Releases Additional Epstein Estate Documents - United States House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform

United States House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform
oversight.house.gov oversight.house.gov
 
HavokFour said:
I am not.

I am talking about the 20,000 released by the GOP members of the committee shortly after those, which many paint a much different picture. Not sure why they released these (accident? attempt to oust?) because they don't help Trump at all. It's becoming clearer why they don't want to release the files.
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They released them because they know they contain nothing that's going to excite anyone not fixated on finding reasons to despise Trump. CBC is not Trump-friendly; here's what was put up there: Trump is named 1,500 times in the Epstein document dump. Here's why that number doesn't matter.

Trump is a target-rich environment. Not every attempted line of attack is going to bear fruit. Common sense suggests and empirical observation shows that pretty much everything that can be used against Trump will be leaked as soon as possible. Again: with Trump, absence of evidence really is evidence of absence.
 
I mean if you want to consider Trump being named as knowing what was going on as not big deal that's on you. From my perspective it sure looks like he knew about the institutionalized pedo ring. Coming from the sicko that said he'd sleep with with own daughter, its not shocking to see how deep his degeneracy runs.
 
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