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Trump administration 2024-2028

PrairieFella said:
Not sure why youre slinging mud needlessly. No nees to be sanctimonious, just look at the files that have been released so far. Nothing to debate.
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I read the end of your quote wrong,......my bad.
Should always bring old man reading glasses while trying to moderate on puny phone screen.
 
PrairieFella said:
If AI gets to the point where its proponents envision it going, governments wont have a choice. 20-30% unemployment anyone? Great way to start a revolution.
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Brad Sallows said:
Less point worrying about that cliff than worrying about the next economic downturn hitting everyone in the middle of their current spending sprees in what is, mostly, a decently-performing economy.
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Except it may very well be the same cliff...

If AI ends up being as capable as it's proponents think it will be, a 30% unemployment rate may very well only be the start...


I personally think that super intelligent AI should not be released to or accessible by the general public.

I hope it has a practical use in curing cancer or other serious illnesses (although the pharmaceutical industry makes a ton of money from treating cancer, and it isn't in their interest to cure it or prevent it)

And I can see it helping decipher texts found at archeological sites, helping get the environment on track to restoration, tracking and predicting space-related weather and events, and for use by law enforcement & the courts.


But releasing it to the commercial sector will be a huge mistake that I think humanity will regret.

It will result in corporations raking in REAL record profits while employing the bare minimum of employees - which is great if you are a stockholder or in senior management, but devastating for the average worker and their family.

UBI is a band-aid solution for the near future. People will still want meaningful employment, and that will be harder & harder to find...


AI will offer a lot of positive possibilities to society. But AI will also offer a lot of negative possibilities to society also.

Without having a plan in place to introduce it in the least disruptive ways possible, we are absolutely setting the stage for a real revolution.


(Holy crap...the future really is happening now. I can't believe we are having a very real conversation about something that by all means seems like it's straight out of a sci-fi novel!)
 
CBH99 said:
But releasing it to the commercial sector will be a huge mistake that I think humanity will regret.
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Effectively it has already been released. Commercial companies are developing AI and uses for AI.
CBH99 said:
It will result in corporations raking in REAL record profits while employing the bare minimum of employees - which is great if you are a stockholder or in senior management, but devastating for the average worker and their family.
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Why? We went from roughly 80% of people employed in agriculture to maybe 2% or 3% in less than 200 years. We don't have 70% unemployment. While 30% employment practically overnight would be a crisis, that's not likely to happen.

Why is it people point to "some one thing" (AI and increased port automation being two recent examples) that might increase productive output and decrease the necessary human labour, and somehow it is to be set apart from every other innovation that did the same thing, as being "bad"?
CBH99 said:
UBI is a band-aid solution for the near future. People will still want meaningful employment, and that will be harder & harder to find...
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Walk down 4 blocks of any moderately-sized town's main street and catalogue the kinds of businesses you see.

Every dire prediction overlooks human ingenuity and the selfish impulse to improving one's own circumstances.

The necessary guardrails for AI pertain to the distinction between "advice" and "control", and keeping people in between the two.
 
Epstein badmouthing Trump is the most hilariously ironic part of "he's in the files". But the left takes it further: Epstein said he was dangerous!

:ROFLMAO:
 
HavokFour said:
Near unanimous vote, only 1 against. People smell blood in the water.

apnews.com

House votes overwhelmingly to force release of Epstein files, sending bill to Senate

The House has voted overwhelmingly to pass a bill to force the Justice Department to publicly release its files on the convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.
apnews.com apnews.com
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And with no objection in the Senate before the bill was even transmitted from the House, it now goes to the President for signature without any amendment.

www.bbc.com

Live: US House and Senate approve release of Epstein files

The bipartisan bill will now head to President Donald Trump's desk to be signed into law.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com
 
CBH99 said:
Except it may very well be the same cliff...

If AI ends up being as capable as it's proponents think it will be, a 30% unemployment rate may very well only be the start...


I personally think that super intelligent AI should not be released to or accessible by the general public.

I hope it has a practical use in curing cancer or other serious illnesses (although the pharmaceutical industry makes a ton of money from treating cancer, and it isn't in their interest to cure it or prevent it)

And I can see it helping decipher texts found at archeological sites, helping get the environment on track to restoration, tracking and predicting space-related weather and events, and for use by law enforcement & the courts.


But releasing it to the commercial sector will be a huge mistake that I think humanity will regret.

It will result in corporations raking in REAL record profits while employing the bare minimum of employees - which is great if you are a stockholder or in senior management, but devastating for the average worker and their family.

UBI is a band-aid solution for the near future. People will still want meaningful employment, and that will be harder & harder to find...


AI will offer a lot of positive possibilities to society. But AI will also offer a lot of negative possibilities to society also.

Without having a plan in place to introduce it in the least disruptive ways possible, we are absolutely setting the stage for a real revolution.


(Holy crap...the future really is happening now. I can't believe we are having a very real conversation about something that by all means seems like it's straight out of a sci-fi novel!)
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AI is at the precipice of being a tool used by humanity to further human potential to becoming a tool used to create better and better AI without humanity in mind.

The fact that AI is willing to blackmail and murder humans to achieve their goals when they think they are not being observed, and explicitly told not to do so, but don't when they know they are being observed tells us AI is not inherently honest.
 
Brad Sallows said:
Effectively it has already been released. Commercial companies are developing AI and uses for AI.

Why? We went from roughly 80% of people employed in agriculture to maybe 2% or 3% in less than 200 years. We don't have 70% unemployment. While 30% employment practically overnight would be a crisis, that's not likely to happen.

Why is it people point to "some one thing" (AI and increased port automation being two recent examples) that might increase productive output and decrease the necessary human labour, and somehow it is to be set apart from every other innovation that did the same thing, as being "bad"?

Walk down 4 blocks of any moderately-sized town's main street and catalogue the kinds of businesses you see.

Every dire prediction overlooks human ingenuity and the selfish impulse to improving one's own circumstances.

The necessary guardrails for AI pertain to the distinction between "advice" and "control", and keeping people in between the two.
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The difference is humans were poised to replace the work. If we achieve true superintelligence which some are predicting is coming soon (AI 2027 is a neat and scary read), humans will not be poised to replace work since no human can hold a candle to the cognitive abilities of a superintelligence by definition. At that point superintelligence could design the hardware to replace human labour in the physical world since by definition a superintelligence could design better than any human ever could.

We're talking either luxury space communism at that point or Skynet haha (only kinda joking on that).
 
PrairieFella said:
The difference is humans were poised to replace the work. If we achieve true superintelligence which some are predicting is coming soon (AI 2027 is a neat and scary read), humans will not be poised to replace work since no human can hold a candle to the cognitive abilities of a superintelligence by definition. At that point superintelligence could design the hardware to replace human labour in the physical world since by definition a superintelligence could design better than any human ever could.

We're talking either luxury space communism at that point or Skynet haha (only kinda joking on that).
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There will always be jobs humans need to do.

Skilled Trades, plumbers and the like.

Healthcare workers.

Teachers and other education.

Sports.

But anything needing specialized general intelligence and data entry will be quickly replaced.
 
Altair said:
The fact that AI is willing to blackmail and murder humans to achieve their goals when they think they are not being observed, and explicitly told not to do so, but don't when they know they are being observed tells us AI is not inherently honest. more akin to humans than we like to think
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Altair said:
There will always be jobs humans need to do.

Skilled Trades, plumbers and the like.

Healthcare workers.

Teachers and other education.

Sports.

But anything needing specialized general intelligence and data entry will be quickly replaced.
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Embodied AI walks into the room
 
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