Trump administration 2024-2028

[Kirkhill]

Kingston Pen and Collins Bay Institution are in heavily populated areas.

They weren't when they were built.

 

[Kirkhill]

Where do you house people while they are processed for deportation ?

Hulks.

Or the modern day approved version. Rented cruise liners.

Fill them up and take them away back to Libya or Cuba.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Hulks.

Or the modern day approved version. Rented cruise liners.

Fill them up and take them away back to Libya or Cuba.

Sure works for me. But they need to be contained and guarded.

 

[GK .Dundas]

Sure works for me. But they need to be contained and guarded.

If Im not mistaken there are at least one or more Prison Barges in US in the United States. Riker's Island in New York state comes to mind.

 

[rmc_wannabe]

Where do you house people while they are processed for deportation ?

Enforcing removals from Canada

Canadian immigration procedures for determining and enforcing removals

www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca

In Canada, wherever the hell they are currently living; unless they are arrested under failure to show for removal interview or scheduled removal date due to an Enforceable Removal Order.

Dangerous criminals set for deportation are held in detention facilities (due to... you know... being actual criminals).

An otherwise law-abiding family of 6 with young children, who are actively pursuing avenues to stay in the country, has no reason being detained in a facility such as the one this woman is objecting to.

Its excessive and punitive, but that seems to be the goal.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Not everyone that could/should be deported for being in the US illegally needs to be sent to a detention facility. That just seems to be this administration's preferred CoA.

Either a person is held in custody, or not. What would be the point of catch-and-release? People who were intercepted were already informed they had to show up somewhere, sometime, and they've evidently chosen to disappear and hide if it's necessary to hunt for them. Why would they not just try to disappear again?

The administration seeks to deport people in the country illegally, using the most expedient processes it can find (or create) because there are a lot of candidates for deportation. Mostly for now it seeks to deport people with criminal histories, but ultimately it wants to deport people who just want to live peacefully and work in the US, too. The people it seeks attempt to evade capture and deportation. What are the practical alternatives for the administration to achieve its aims, which are lawful?

This was always bound to be ugly due to the mismatch between the "process" necessary for one administration to permit relatively open borders and the "process" necessary for another to close them and reverse illegal migration. Other than hand-wringing, what do critics (other than the ones openly acknowledging they are against deportation, period) offer?

If the position is that people who enter (or remain in) any country illegally should be allowed to remain indefinitely provided they are not criminals, advocates should state so clearly. If the position is otherwise, critics should explain how large numbers could be removed expeditiously.

 

[GK .Dundas]

Enforcing removals from Canada

Canadian immigration procedures for determining and enforcing removals

www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca

In Canada, wherever the hell they are currently living; unless they are arrested under failure to show for removal interview or scheduled removal date due to an Enforceable Removal Order.

Dangerous criminals set for deportation are held in detention facilities (due to... you know... being actual criminals).

An otherwise law-abiding family of 6 with young children, who are actively pursuing avenues to stay in the country, has no reason being detained in a facility such as the one this woman is objecting to.

Its excessive and punitive, but that seems to be the goal.

The Trump administration seems to be of the opinion that there's not much point in being in government if you can't hurt people.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Enforcing removals from Canada

Canadian immigration procedures for determining and enforcing removals

www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca

In Canada, wherever the hell they are currently living; unless they are arrested under failure to show for removal interview or scheduled removal date due to an Enforceable Removal Order.

Dangerous criminals set for deportation are held in detention facilities (due to... you know... being actual criminals).

An otherwise law-abiding family of 6 with young children, who are actively pursuing avenues to stay in the country, has no reason being detained in a facility such as the one this woman is objecting to.

Its excessive and punitive, but that seems to be the goal.

People who are illegally in the country need to be removed.

If you trust those same illegals not to vanish further into the weeds that's you. But I am fine with detention centers holding them until they they are processed out of USA.

 

[Brad Sallows]

In Canada, wherever the hell they are currently living; unless they are arrested under failure to show for removal interview or scheduled removal date due to an Enforceable Removal Order.

If people are being scooped up who have not yet avoided a scheduled part of the process, then the administration should be clearly in the wrong with respect to those people. People who have at some point failed to appear, though, are obvious flight risks.

 

[rmc_wannabe]

People who are illegally in the country need to be removed.

Agreed. They are also entitled to due process in accordance with our immigration law.

If you trust those same illegals not to vanish further into the weeds that's you.

Illegal =/= criminal. If I am parked illegally I am told to move my car, face a fine, face my car getting towed, etc. It is still wholly illegal, but I have not committed a crime that necessitates my detention or imprisonment, as I have not identified myself as a flight risk or danger to society.

An illegal immigrant going about their day, not committing criminal acts, and trying to navigate a complex administrative nightmare in the mean time pose no threat.

I will sleep soundly every night.

But I am fine with detention centers holding them until they they are processed out of USA.

Then that's your cross to bear. I hope you are never put into a similar position.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Illegal =/= criminal. If I am parked illegally I am told to move my car, face a fine, face my car getting towed, etc. It is still wholly illegal, but I have not committed a crime that necessitates my detention or imprisonment, as I have not identified myself as a flight risk or danger to society.

An illegal immigrant going about their day, not committing criminal acts, and trying to navigate a complex administrative nightmare in the mean time pose no threat.

I will sleep soundly every night.

You can twist yourself around illegal V Criminal all you like, I will remain focused on people illegally in a country. And they are illegally in a country they don't belong to and they should be removed.

Then that's your cross to bear. I hope you are never put into a similar position.

So emotional and dramatic. Look I understand and agree, the methods ICE and this US Admin is using is offside/wrong ect. But that doesn't change the underlying goal which is the removal of illegal aliens. And I agree with it. And I am ok with them being held in detention centers while they process through deportation.

 

[Booter]

Enforcing removals from Canada

Canadian immigration procedures for determining and enforcing removals

www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca

In Canada, wherever the hell they are currently living; unless they are arrested under failure to show for removal interview or scheduled removal date due to an Enforceable Removal Order.

Dangerous criminals set for deportation are held in detention facilities (due to... you know... being actual criminals).

An otherwise law-abiding family of 6 with young children, who are actively pursuing avenues to stay in the country, has no reason being detained in a facility such as the one this woman is objecting to.

Its excessive and punitive, but that seems to be the goal.

lol you want to use us as the example of how to manage deportations lol

 

[brihard]

Either a person is held in custody, or not. What would be the point of catch-and-release? People who were intercepted were already informed they had to show up somewhere, sometime, and they've evidently chosen to disappear and hide if it's necessary to hunt for them. Why would they not just try to disappear again?

Except that ICE has suddenly arrested and detained people who were attending their regularly scheduled immigration appointments and were completely compliant with all of their obligations, and others who already had been told they would be deported and had continued to make their check in dates. And most have not been shown to be committing crimes.

Let’s nobody pretend that the scale of ICE detention in any way reflects actual need to do so.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Except that ICE has suddenly arrested and detained people who were attending their regularly scheduled immigration appointments and were completely compliant with all of their obligations, and others who already had been told they would be deported and had continued to make their check in dates. And most have not been shown to be committing crimes.

Let’s nobody pretend that the scale of ICE detention in any way reflects actual need to do so.

As I wrote above: "If people are being scooped up who have not yet avoided a scheduled part of the process, then the administration should be clearly in the wrong with respect to those people.".

I have guessed, repeatedly, that the detention is intended to encourage people to self-deport. As I've (also repeatedly) written, mass deportation was always bound to be ugly. Prior failures to faithfully execute laws are not consequence-free. People who just want to criticize this one thing happening right now are free to do so. I'm looking at a larger frame.

 

[Brad Sallows]

An illegal immigrant going about their day, not committing criminal acts, and trying to navigate a complex administrative nightmare in the mean time pose no threat.

People whose J6 participation was basically non-violent (eg. mere trespass) arguably "posed no threat". At least some were confined for months awaiting trial. A lot of people cheered for that. Nastiness begets nastiness.

"Two wrongs don't make a right." "No-one is above the law". Very true, but divorced from the realities of human emotion and struggles for political advantage.