Trump administration 2024-2028

[Lumber]

I don't think you comprehend how unwelcoming and friendly this forum has become for people who aren't in the core anti America, pro LPC or pro PMMC group that seemingly runs this place and all its discussions now.

It's the opinion of this member that a diversity of opinions and ideas are not as welcome as they once use to be.

I'm no DJT supporter; but if they are like me they are withdrawing.

I would argue this forum is the opposite, though maybe it's gettin closer to 50/50 than in the past. I know iof two people who have asked in just the past 2 years who to have their accounts deactivated due what they believed to be the overly conservative leaning if this website. Do you know if anyone who has left because they felt it was too liberal? I'd be genuinely curious to know (and I don't think anyone is anti America, just anti the current administration).

 

[MrWhyt]

Do you know if anyone who has left because they felt it was too liberal?

I think there are some who are confusing anti-PP with pro-liberal, just like confusing anti-DT with anti-USA.

 

[Cloud Cover]

You are right. The increasing stridency of the discourse and the quickness to label and use ad hominem attacks is distressing.

My hat is off to you for the strength of your conviction, and only hope that ALL can tone it down a bit

I’ll try to level this a bit.

Trump in his capacity as a private citizen was represented by lawyers who obtained the best possible deal for him, his family and associates. His lawyers deserve a bonus for that. Seriously.
It does not appear to either illegal or unlawful. That’s all the law requires of a private citizen in a legal dispute. On its face, he’s not doing anything legally wrong. Ethics, morality are part of justice, sure but that is not the law. Justice is the dark side of the law. Everywhere, it seems.

If there is moral blameworthiness here, it is the IRS and DoJ lawyers, along with any judicial parties, who ought to be held accountable and keel hauled for agreeing to all of it.
Yes, the United States has drifted into the spectrum of absolute power of the executive, which are theoretically still far more constrained than the powers of a Prime Minister in Canada. I mean, look at the past 10 years of damage and carnage, personal gain and corruption in this country. And nobody - NOBODY - is going to be held accountable because they cannot legally be held accountable.

It’s true changes are required. Nobody seems to really have the guts and grit to do it once they are in power.
Why, I wonder, might that be …?

 

[Brad Sallows]

So the allowing of a sitting President to have ‘his children’ day trade to the tune of an average of 59 trades a day, totalling 3,700 trades in Q1 of this year and the Republican Party, the US legal system and US public not flipping out of this doesn’t represent the US going off the rails?

What world do you live in that something like this is allowable or justifiable?

One corrupt president isn't the US going off the rails.

I don't care whether probable evidence of corruption takes the form of day trading, inexplicably large contracts to family businesses for indeterminate services, or large foreign donations to foundations controlled by politicians. It happens and happened, and the US doesn't suddenly overturn.

These things are all certainly not justifiable, but apparently are allowable. Reasons are found to not investigate, or to not put matters before grand juries, or to cut all sorts of immunity deals and end prospects of future investigations.

Trump's circle just does a piss-poor job of playing the game the way the establishment politicians have been playing for decades.

 

[Brad Sallows]

You’re right! It isn’t going off the rails. Can’t go off the rails if it’s already off. It’s a Republican criminal organization originally established in 1985 by scabby corporations. Trump is the tool by which the evangelicals are reshaping the USA.

Yep. They're winning bigly.

Migration from "blue" to "red" states is moving electoral votes and House seats into the Republican column.

The census bureau has admitted the 2020 census was statistically flawed in ways that probably benefited Democrats by a couple of seats, which will eventually be corrected.

Republicans are also working on ensuring that only citizens are counted for apportionment, which would also tend to shift a few EVs and House seats Republican.

Democrats mostly already pocketed all the gains they could with political gerrymanders, but Republicans still have unexploited potential to gain a few more seats around the country.

State income taxes are trending down in "red" states and up in "blue" states.

Republicans have trifecta control in 23 states; Democrats have it in 16.

6 of 9 USSC justices adhere pretty closely to the constitution.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Yep. They're winning bigly.

Migration from "blue" to "red" states is moving electoral votes and House seats into the Republican column.

The census bureau has admitted the 2020 census was statistically flawed in ways that probably benefited Democrats by a couple of seats, which will eventually be corrected.

Republicans are also working on ensuring that only citizens are counted for apportionment, which would also tend to shift a few EVs and House seats Republican.

Democrats mostly already pocketed all the gains they could with political gerrymanders, but Republicans still have unexploited potential to gain a few more seats around the country.

State income taxes are trending down in "red" states and up in "blue" states.

Republicans have trifecta control in 23 states; Democrats have it in 16.

6 of 9 USSC justices adhere pretty closely to the constitution.

Your wrong on the moving votes from blue to red states means greater Republican wins. The majority of those moving from blue to red states are ‘blue’ individuals moving and they are creating blue tinges in those red states and if it continues long enough they will flip those states.

 

[Czech_pivo]

One corrupt president isn't the US going off the rails.

I don't care whether probable evidence of corruption takes the form of day trading, inexplicably large contracts to family businesses for indeterminate services, or large foreign donations to foundations controlled by politicians. It happens and happened, and the US doesn't suddenly overturn.

These things are all certainly not justifiable, but apparently are allowable. Reasons are found to not investigate, or to not put matters before grand juries, or to cut all sorts of immunity deals and end prospects of future investigations.

Trump's circle just does a piss-poor job of playing the game the way the establishment politicians have been playing for decades.

You are missing the point all together.
All of these things are perfect examples of the erosion of standards, acceptable standards, over an ongoing time period. The slow drip drip drip drip eventually erodes away the hardest of stones until one day the stone cracks and is no more. They are ‘apparently allowable’ because the Green Grocer is now putting the sign in the window day in and day out, too afraid to speak out or act out. The American public are becoming a cowed nation in effectively taking action against what others around the world see as tyranny and injustice within their own country.

 

[QV]

Your wrong on the moving votes from blue to red states means greater Republican wins. The majority of those moving from blue to red states are ‘blue’ individuals moving and they are creating blue tinges in those red states and if it continues long enough they will flip those states.

Theory. A more probable theory is red tinged people moving out of high tax districts to places more aligned with their values.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Theory. A more probable theory is red tinged people moving out of high tax districts to places more aligned with their values.

If that is the case, then the US is likely on a direct path to Secession once again and Civil War. The last thing a place like the US needs is for ‘all the blues to congregate in one area and all the reds in another.’

It’s an asinine approach.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Theory. A more probable theory is red tinged people moving out of high tax districts to places more aligned with their values.

Enjoy

 

[Brad Sallows]

Your wrong on the moving votes from blue to red states means greater Republican wins. The majority of those moving from blue to red states are ‘blue’ individuals moving and they are creating blue tinges in those red states and if it continues long enough they will flip those states.

All states have both Republican and Democratic voters.

What is the evidence that people leaving a predominantly Democratic state are mostly Democratic voters?

It's likely true that as voters leave a "blue" state for a "red" one, both states become more Democratic. (All that has to happen is for most of the voters to occupy the region between the median voter in each state - right of the median in the "blue" state and left of the median in the "red" state.)

Regardless, migrations to firmly "red" states aren't enough to flip any of them any time soon. Democrats should be expected to mostly end up in the enclaves which are already Democratic (eg. Austin TX). Moving a city or district from 68% Democratic to 70% Democratic doesn't help Democrats much. Which reminds me: add to my list of points on which Republicans are "winning", their much more efficient vote distribution.

 

[Brad Sallows]

You are missing the point all together.
All of these things are perfect examples of the erosion of standards, acceptable standards, over an ongoing time period. The slow drip drip drip drip eventually erodes away the hardest of stones until one day the stone cracks and is no more. They are ‘apparently allowable’ because the Green Grocer is now putting the sign in the window day in and day out, too afraid to speak out or act out. The American public are becoming a cowed nation in effectively taking action against what others around the world see as tyranny and injustice within their own country.

A Canadian or European opinion of what constitutes liberty or tyranny is not worth much in the US.

But that goes back to what prompted my original comment. The impressions many people outside the US are forming are influenced by the caterwauling of Democrats and the chattering classes outside the US who identify with Democrats. Don't mistake volume for content.

The most moderate Democrat of consequence in the US right now is probably Senator Fetterman, and he probably is too moderate for the party and will be ejected like Manchin and Sinema. Meanwhile mere sideshows like the members of "The Squad" have been overtaken in the run to the far left by people who have an insubstantial relationship with fiscal common sense and a surprisingly frank dislike of Jews.