Trust in our Institutions

[The Bread Guy]

... Here's an example from the UK where Wales wants to do just this very idea

Wales wants to punish lying politicians – how would it work?

Politicians in Wales who deliberately mislead the public could face suspension or even recall under proposals aimed at restoring trust in politics.

theconversation.com

Funny you should mention that

Thousands sign parliamentary petition to make fibbing politicians pay political price

OTTAWA - A Toronto man wants to make honesty the best political policy by passing a bill that would hold members of Parliament more accountable for telling lies.

www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

From the e-petition (approved by a Liberal MP, no less):

Petition e-6679 - Petitions

www.ourcommons.ca

Whereas:

• Members of Parliament (MPs) have been accused of making important public statements that are false and without evidence;
• Misinformation is a growing threat to the proper functioning of, as well as faith in, our democratic process;
• A mechanism is needed to verify MPs’ public statements to maintain trust in our governing body;
• Artificial Intelligence is amplifying misinformation;
• Current events in the United States demonstrate the dangers of not addressing this problem; and
• The Institute for Constitutional and Democratic Research (ICDR) of Wales, UK, proposed a white paper entitled “A Model for Political Honesty,” created because “the Welsh Government will bring forward legislation before 2026 for the disqualification of Members and candidates found guilty of deliberate deception through an independent judicial process and will invite the committee to make proposals to that effect.”

We, the undersigned, citizens of Canada, call upon the House of Commons to propose a bill to address the issue of perceived and actual misinformation being presented by MPs to the public, provided that such a bill could be informed by details outlined in the white paper proposed by the ICDR.

Looks like something like almost 9K signatures as of this post. Deadline for signatures is 1000EDT 27 Nov 2025.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Funny you should mention that

Thousands sign parliamentary petition to make fibbing politicians pay political price

OTTAWA - A Toronto man wants to make honesty the best political policy by passing a bill that would hold members of Parliament more accountable for telling lies.

www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

From the e-petition (approved by a Liberal MP, no less):

Petition e-6679 - Petitions

www.ourcommons.ca

Looks like something like almost 9K signatures as of this post. Deadline for signatures is 1000EDT 27 Nov 2025.

Lies by ommission should be there also.

I wonder if this shows the further strain on the liberal government, by its own members.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Not sure where to put this, but Freeland has resigned once again. Likely not wanting to play 2nd fiddle or keeping her powder dry if Carney starts losing popularity?

5 Takeaways From Chrystia Freeland’s Second Resignation

www.theepochtimes.com

 

[daftandbarmy]

Not sure where to put this, but Freeland has resigned once again. Likely not wanting to play 2nd fiddle or keeping her powder dry if Carney starts losing popularity?

5 Takeaways From Chrystia Freeland’s Second Resignation

www.theepochtimes.com

Or the whole 'rats deserting the sinking ship' thing....

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6905346

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Not sure where to put this, but Freeland has resigned once again. Likely not wanting to play 2nd fiddle or keeping her powder dry if Carney starts losing popularity?

5 Takeaways From Chrystia Freeland’s Second Resignation

www.theepochtimes.com

It could also be legitimately that she has a valuable role to play in Ukraine.

Hard to say, without more evidence.

 

[Cloud Cover]

It could also be legitimately that she has a valuable role to play in Ukraine.

Hard to say, without more evidence.

Great. Let Ukraine hire her then.

Canada needs to be rebuilt. Europe can take care of Ukraine. We are not needed, and if we genuinely are it should be because we have something Europe can buy from us. Which we don’t….

 

[YZT580]

Great. Let Ukraine hire her then.

Canada needs to be rebuilt. Europe can take care of Ukraine. We are not needed, and if we genuinely are it should be because we have something Europe can buy from us. Which we don’t….

there is no re-building in isolation. Canada needs partners. Partners in trade, partners in ideas, partners in belief. with the U.S. proving itself to be less than reliable, Canada needs to expand into other areas with countries that share our goals and to a great extent our history as well and we need to choose carefully who those partners will be. Our government is leaning towards Europe and that will require effort on our part which may mean we are going to be, we already are, involved in helping out Ukraine as part of the price of partnership. Isolation doesn't work.

 

[Cloud Cover]

Europe will quickly f*ck Canada over 10x harder than the US. I understand Europhiles in Canada won’t see it that way but Western Canada has more in common with the US than we do with Ottawa. We certainly have little desire to be a dumping ground for Eurotrash.
I don’t care for Trump or the MAGA bs, but I care less for the European geopolitics, wars and political affiliations with those who suck Canadian money and lives for 125 years now, and will demand more and more.

 

[Remius]

Europe will quickly f*ck Canada over 10x harder than the US.

How?

I understand Europhiles in Canada won’t see it that way but Western Canada has more in common with the US than we do with Ottawa. We certainly have little desire to be a dumping ground for Eurotrash.

What do you mean by Eurotrash?

I don’t care for Trump or the MAGA bs, but I care less for the European geopolitics, wars and political affiliations with those who suck Canadian money and lives for 125 years now, and will demand more and more.

Would that not have been our affiliation with Britain rather than Europe for the most part?

 

[Czech_pivo]

Europe will quickly f*ck Canada over 10x harder than the US. I understand Europhiles in Canada won’t see it that way but Western Canada has more in common with the US than we do with Ottawa. We certainly have little desire to be a dumping ground for Eurotrash.
I don’t care for Trump or the MAGA bs, but I care less for the European geopolitics, wars and political affiliations with those who suck Canadian money and lives for 125 years now, and will demand more and more.

Western Canada has more in common with New Jersey or Montana? With Ohio or Idaho?

I’d say NFLD has more in common with Ireland then with New Mexico. Quebec with France then with Louisiana.

 

[YZT580]

Europe will quickly f*ck Canada over 10x harder than the US. I understand Europhiles in Canada won’t see it that way but Western Canada has more in common with the US than we do with Ottawa. We certainly have little desire to be a dumping ground for Eurotrash.
I don’t care for Trump or the MAGA bs, but I care less for the European geopolitics, wars and political affiliations with those who suck Canadian money and lives for 125 years now, and will demand more and more.

wow! Someone at some time has really done you some damage.

 

[Cloud Cover]

This country has to get off its knees and stop shopping around for big brothers.
We owe Europe and the US nothing, but only one of those two is pretty much identical to us in almost every way and us connected by a road network.

I’m talking business here, not military or political sovereignty. Nobody is going to attack Canada, not even the US. Bet on it. Trump will be gone in 3 years (or less).

Trade with European Union will require massive compromises and adoptions by Canada of standards and levels of environmental action, rules for property ownership, our constitutional division of powers, our common law, our laws of contract, our travel, trade in a manner that is not compatible with how 10s of millions of Canadians want to live their lives.

 

[Cloud Cover]

Western Canada has more in common with New Jersey or Montana? With Ohio or Idaho?

I’d say NFLD has more in common with Ireland then with New Mexico. Quebec with France then with Louisiana.

Rural Ontario especially southwestern Ontario has more in common with the mid west than any part of Europe. Western Canada has more in common with the US mid west, mountain states all the way to Texas. Far more in common in fact than with Ottawa, the GTA, Quebec or the Maritimes. Deep integration with Europe will expose even more a very serious rural-urban and east -west divide that will end this country just as quickly as Donald Trump would like that.

 

[Czech_pivo]

This country has to get off its knees and stop shopping around for big brothers.
We owe Europe and the US nothing, but only one of those two is pretty much identical to us in almost every way and us connected by a road network.

I’m talking business here, not military or political sovereignty. Nobody is going to attack Canada, not even the US. Bet on it. Trump will be gone in 3 years (or less).

Trade with European Union will require massive compromises and adoptions by Canada of standards and levels of environmental action, rules for property ownership, our constitutional division of powers, our common law, our laws of contract, our travel, trade in a manner that is not compatible with how 10s of millions of Canadians want to live their lives.

Fair points.
But fairer is our need to grow some wings and branch out to other areas of the globe.
No reason why we shouldn’t be rekindling our old familial relationships, while at the same time searching for some new friends.
The US will never go away, for certain, but moving down from 80 to 45-50% is a prudent move.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Rural Ontario especially southwestern Ontario has more in common with the mid west than any part of Europe. Western Canada has more in common with the US mid west, mountain states all the way to Texas. Far more in common in fact than with Ottawa, the GTA, Quebec or the Maritimes. Deep integration with Europe will expose even more a very serious rural-urban and east -west divide that will end this country just as quickly as Donald Trump would like that.

I would say the Maritimes is closer to New England than most of the rest of Canada, not that that's helping your point just an observation.

Fair points.
But fairer is our need to grow some wings and branch out to other areas of the globe.
No reason why we shouldn’t be rekindling our old familial relationships, while at the same time searching for some new friends.
The US will never go away, for certain, but moving down from 80 to 45-50% is a prudent move.

Fuck Europe. They turned, and will again, turn their backs on us faster than a Maritimer applies for EI.

We have the resources the world wants. They will come to us.

Drop regulations and throw off the chains holding back our economy and let it roar.

Canada has so much potential, the question is do Canadians to leverage that potential ?

 

[QV]

I would say the Maritimes is closer to New England than most of the rest of Canada, not that that's helping your point just an observation.



Fuck Europe. They turned, and will again, turn their backs on us faster than a Maritimer applies for EI.

We have the resources the world wants. They will come to us.

Drop regulations and throw off the chains holding back our economy and let it roar.

Canada has so much potential, the question is do Canadians to leverage that potential ?

This is so obvious that the only reason for not doing so is a deliberate suppressing of Canadian progress by those who control the levers of power in this country. Why and for what purpose?

 

[Remius]

Fuck Europe. They turned, and will again, turn their backs on us faster than a Maritimer applies for EI.

I asked this above; How and when did they do that?

I’m curious as to what Europe would have done to us that would merit us forgoing a stronger relationship with them.

 

[daftandbarmy]

I would say the Maritimes is closer to New England than most of the rest of Canada, not that that's helping your point just an observation.



Fuck Europe. They turned, and will again, turn their backs on us faster than a Maritimer applies for EI.

We have the resources the world wants. They will come to us.

Drop regulations and throw off the chains holding back our economy and let it roar.

Canada has so much potential, the question is do Canadians to leverage that potential ?

Sounds nice but the productivity in our socialist paradise is famously awful, and continues to decline ...

The national 'emergency' that is hitting Canadians where it hurts — in their paycheques​

Productivity, he said, boils down to how fast you can do your work and do it correctly. The faster the work gets done — accurately — the more time there is to do other things such as hanging out with friends, volunteering or taking care of business at home.

Converted into dollars and cents, productivity measures the amount of output per hour worked. Forty years ago, Canadians generated 88 per cent of the value of Americans per hour worked, but that dropped to 71 per cent by 2022.

That’s something all Canadians should care about since Americans generate US$91.50 per capita per hour worked versus US$71.90 for those north of the border. In other words, labour productivity is not an abstract statistic, but the fundamental economic measure of a country’s prosperity.

The national 'emergency' that is hitting Canadians where it hurts — in their paycheques

Productivity has been called an emergency in Canada. Joe O'Connor takes a look at how to solve the crisis — and why it matters. Read on

financialpost.com

 

[Halifax Tar]

I asked this above; How and when did they do that?

I’m curious as to what Europe would have done to us that would merit us forgoing a stronger relationship with them.

Unless I missed something they were pretty silent on the whole 51st state thing.

That speaks volumes to me. And I wont accept 'they quietly supported us'. Their public silence said everything I needed to hear.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Sounds nice but the productivity in our socialist paradise is famously awful, and continues to decline ...

The national 'emergency' that is hitting Canadians where it hurts — in their paycheques​

Productivity, he said, boils down to how fast you can do your work and do it correctly. The faster the work gets done — accurately — the more time there is to do other things such as hanging out with friends, volunteering or taking care of business at home.

Converted into dollars and cents, productivity measures the amount of output per hour worked. Forty years ago, Canadians generated 88 per cent of the value of Americans per hour worked, but that dropped to 71 per cent by 2022.

That’s something all Canadians should care about since Americans generate US$91.50 per capita per hour worked versus US$71.90 for those north of the border. In other words, labour productivity is not an abstract statistic, but the fundamental economic measure of a country’s prosperity.

The national 'emergency' that is hitting Canadians where it hurts — in their paycheques

Productivity has been called an emergency in Canada. Joe O'Connor takes a look at how to solve the crisis — and why it matters. Read on

financialpost.com

Something about missed potential.