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Turks Arabs and Pakistanis

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Turkey and Saudi Arabia taking shelter under Pakistan's nuclear umbrella.
And staying in NATO
And signing Abraham Accords

"The real story is about how security is being bought and sold in the Middle East now—less as a single umbrella and more as a layered portfolio. Clause by clause. Corridor by corridor. And with commercial logic quietly stitched into the seams.

"Because in 2026, security is not only decided by treaties. It is also decided by financing, co-production, logistics, and the procurement decisions that follow the politics like a shadow."

Three Dimensions

Dimension 1: Political Signaling vs. Operational Integration

A collective-defense clause is not a collective-defense capability. NATO's Article 5 is powerful because institutions back it: planning depth, interoperability standards, command integration, and seven decades of operational habit.

Dimension 2: The Defense-Industrial Channel

The pact's commercial logic matters more than its rhetorical framing. Reuters reported this month that discussions are underway to convert Saudi loans to Pakistan into military equipment packages.

Dimension 3: Deterrence Perception vs. Deterrence Reality

Pakistan brings something few countries can sell at scale: the perception of hard security capability—including nuclear overtones that exist in regional minds even when absent from treaty text.

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Interesting times

Especially when considered in association with events in Iran - and what looks like Pro Shah and Pro Israel crowds starting to outnumber Pro Hamas crowds in Toronto and LA.

Throw in a Pakistani "military coup" not favoured by the clerics associated with the Taliban and the Chinese backed ISI and the IRGC


Sibce 1947, as in Turkey since 1922, the military has been the modern force that countered the clerics. Sometimes up. Sometimes down.

In this latest enterprise the Chief of Defence Staff has engineered himself lifetime immunity, much to the chagrin of the clerics. Immediately he has started engineering deals.


Saudi, Turkey, Indonesia, Malaysia, LIbya....

All of those countries have traditions of western friendly militaries.

In Munir's case it appears that he is willing to clear old stock from his armouries and lend his armies and nuclear option to associated nations in return for foreign investment.

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And on the sidelines and of importance to the Turks, Syrians, Iraqis and Iranians

Rumours of local Kurds in Iran securing the towns of Abdanan and Malekshahi in NW Iran, adjacent to the borders of Kurdish Turkey, Kurdish Syria and Kurdish Iraq.
Other rumours suggest that Iraqi Kurds have crossed the border in support of the locals.
Other rumours suggest that a lot of Kurds have been burnt too many times and are waiting to see.

But

Syrian government forces are still at odds with the Syrian Kurds with claims they hold the Kurdish bases and the Kurds claiming otherwise.

Meanwhile

US strikes in Syria against Islamic State - previously associated with Hamas, Hezbollah and the Ayatollahs
Syria's government currently led by an ex al-Qaeda member who has supported the US strikes against ISIS

But Syria's government is also fighting against Syrian Kurds.

The government is backed by Turkey against the Kurds and America against ISIS while it appears the Iranian rebels are on feiendly terms with the US and Israel.

WTF?




And
 
All things considered - why is there so little coverage of these events?
 
There was suppose to be a large peace deal made in the ME a couple of years ago. That would have opened a lot of prosperity across the entire area. It only makes sense that the people who live in the area want to work with each other and start to put their differences aside to make money. Afterall that's what everyone wants is money.
 
All things considered - why is there so little coverage of these events?
To be fair to North American outlets, I think domestic and immediate-back-yard stuff tends to fill the news hole these days. Some European media (FRA, DEU and UK) outlets were writing about this in September.

No shortage of hits under "(Muslim OR Islamic) NATO)" from MSM in the immediate back yard of the region, or "interested party" media, though.
 
Saudi Islamists in the driving seat?

Aligning with the Muslim Brotherhood, Pakistan and Iran?


May be tied into this


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Perhaps somebody's hand is being forced.
 
Saudi Arabia is not looking to acquire JF-17s for domestic use but rather for Sudan. Reuters reports that Riyadh is looking to supply the Sudanese government of Abdel Fattah al-Burhan against the Emirati-backed Rapid Support Forces (RSF) forces, led by General Mohamed Hamdan Dagalo, also known as Hemedti.

Haftar continues to be the arms conduit of UAE weapons shipments to the RSF, Middle East Eye has previously reported, despite Egyptian and Saudi pressure towards Benghazi.



JF-17 assembled in Pakistan from Chinese components and sold to the Sudanese government.
The UAE is supplying the Sudanese rebels known as the Rapid Support Forces or RSF.

The RSF made an impression on the Media last year.


From Wiki

Darfur is a region of western Sudan. Most residents living in Darfur are Black Africans, as well as the Baggara Arabs who make up the core of the Rapid Support Forces and its ancestor the Janjaweed. Tensions have existed for years between ethnicities in the region.<a href="Darfur genocide (2023–present) - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>19<span>]</span></a><a href="Darfur genocide (2023–present) - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>20<span>]</span></a>

Darfur was the location of another genocide between 2003 and 2005. During the 2003 genocide, an estimated 200,000 civilians died from violence related to the conflict. Most victims of this previous genocide were members of the Fur, Masalit, and Zaghawa communities

From AI

The Rapid Support Forces (RSF), which evolved from the notorious Arab Janjaweed militia, are accused of systematically killing non-Arab (Black African) people in the Darfur region of Sudan. These acts of violence and ethnic cleansing have been ongoing, with a significant escalation since the civil war began in April 2023.
Key points regarding the violence include:
  • Targeted Ethnic Killings: The RSF and its allied Arab militias have specifically targeted non-Arab ethnic groups, such as the Masalit, Fur, and Zaghawa, in what has been described as a "true genocide". Survivors report the use of racial epithets and systematic house-to-house killings.
  • Historical Context: The RSF traces its origins to the Janjaweed militia, which was responsible for a genocide in Darfur in the early 2000s, killing an estimated 200,000 people from non-Arab communities. The current violence is widely seen as a continuation of that earlier conflict.
  • Massacres and Atrocities: Reports from human rights organizations and the UN have documented widespread atrocities, including mass killings in cities like Geneina and El Fasher, widespread sexual violence (including rape and sexual slavery), torture, and the destruction of homes and camps for displaced people.
  • International Response: The United States government has officially determined that the RSF and their allies have committed genocide, crimes against humanity, and ethnic cleansing in Darfur. The International Criminal Court (ICC) is also investigating the situation.
  • Humanitarian Crisis: The ongoing conflict has created the world's largest humanitarian and displacement crisis, with millions displaced and facing famine conditions.
The evidence points to a systematic campaign of violence by the RSF and allied Arab militias against non-Arab populations in Sudan.

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The relevant words are Arabs, Blacks, Massacre, Slavery, Genocide.

And no reconciliation, let alone restitution.
 
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