U.S. Annexing Canada (split fm Liberal Minority thread)

[Remius]

I think those urbanites you talk about would expect others to take up the fight. Hard living and violence aren't their thing.

It’s funny. Apparently according to the right the left is supposed to be the more prone to violence and vice versa. I think the both rural and urban can be just as patriotic. And apparently cities are more violent right?

Plenty of rural areas are hardly beacons of “hard living”.

Questioning rural patriotism and Saying rural folks would just roll over for the US is kind of inaccurate.

It doesn't matter if they are or not. We live next to a juggernaut that has the ability to dictate to us.

They can pressure sure like anything else. That does not mean giving up sovereignty or being Canadian. Believe it or not our identity is actual framed in that light, that we live next to that juggernaut is formative of our culture.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

On the lack of Canadian culture. Well we only have ourselves to blame. When an Canadian entertainer is a nobody until they get recognized in the States, when a sports figure is basically a nobody until they play in the United States, when our largest city ignores domestic culture, sports leagues and media figures and pines to be just like New York or LA. It is no wonder we are consistently teetering on the edge of absorption by the Excited States of America.

Completely agree!

I think those urbanites you talk about would expect others to take up the fight. Hard living and violence aren't their thing.



It doesn't matter if they are or not. We live next to a juggernaut that has the ability to dictate to us.

I don't want to be American, but I'm also a realist. This once great country has been squandered. I hope I'm wrong.

I am as well. I am also disappointed with the direction of this Country tbh. Things need to change.

 

[IKnowNothing]

I could see the ultimate goal being the US pressuring us to change our stance on the NW Passage & our UNCLOS interpretation. That and allowing then to build additional Military bases in the High Arctic. We have shown no interest in developing our North so the Americans are going to do it for us.

I could see that as a BATNA, but a strong preference to assume full control and then flip to the traditional Canadian position of it being territorial waters.

US perspective:
Them (America) having control > Us (Canada) not having control > us (Canada) having control and letting them do what they want > us (Canada) having control and asserting sovereignty

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

It’s funny. Apparently according to the right the left is supposed to be the more prone to violence and vice versa. I think the both rural and urban can be just as patriotic. And apparently cities are more violent right?

Plenty of rural areas are hardly beacons of “hard living”.

Questioning rural patriotism and Saying rural folks would just roll over for the US is kind of inaccurate.

They can pressure sure like anything else. That does not mean giving up sovereignty or being Canadian. Believe it or not our identity is actual framed in that light, that we live next to that juggernaut is formative of our culture.

Being Violent ≠ Being a Good Soldier

 

[Remius]

I could see that as a BATNA, but a strong preference to assume full control and then flip present the traditional Canadian position of it being territorial waters.

The US has never accepted our claims to those waters. Neither had China for that matter.

 

[IKnowNothing]

The US has never accepted our claims to those waters. Neither had China for that matter.

I know- but there's no rule against hypocrisy in statecraft.

 

[Remius]

Being Violent ≠ Being a Good Soldier

Sure. But The premise put forward was that violence wasn’t an urban thing.

Nothing about soldiering l.

 

[Halifax Tar]

It’s funny. Apparently according to the right the left is supposed to be the more prone to violence and vice versa. I think the both rural and urban can be just as patriotic. And apparently cities are more violent right?

I don't think the criminal element in urban areas has any political affiliation. And I don't think I ever alluded to that.

Canadians are by and large urban. And by and large lazy, superficial and disconnected. Hence why there would be outrage and flags on FB profiles, but that's about where it would end. IMHO.

Plenty of rural areas are hardly beacons of “hard living”.

Sure.

Questioning rural patriotism and Saying rural folks would just roll over for the US is kind of inaccurate.

I never said that. But I think what patriotism we actually have would quickly be out weighed by reality, should the US ever attempt a take over.

They can pressure sure like anything else. That does not mean giving up sovereignty or being Canadian. Believe it or not our identity is actual framed in that light, that we live next to that juggernaut is formative of our culture.

Sure.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

Sure. But The premise put forward was that violence wasn’t an urban thing.

Nothing about soldiering l.

The premise was that those that would call for some sort of Canadian Mujahideen to emerge to take on Uncle Sam are the least prepared to actually do so.

That's because the place of the Guerilla and the Guerilla Army to form is the Countryside.

 

[Halifax Tar]

The premise was that those that would call for some sort of Canadian Mujahideen to emerge to take on Uncle Sam are the least prepared to actually do so.

That's because the place of the Guerilla and the Guerilla Army to form is the Countryside.

Isolate the urban areas and keep the occupiers tied up in those same urban areas.

What does that remind you of ?

 

[Remius]

The premise was that those that would call for some sort of Canadian Mujahideen to emerge to take on Uncle Sam are the least prepared to actually do so.

That's because the place of the Guerilla and the Guerilla Army to form is the Countryside.

Right. I would expect indigenous communities to put up a fight and quebecers etc

I would expect that yes there would be some resistance in various forms on various fronts. Would it be some massive resistance thing? No.

But they’d be dealing with an IRA style problem I would suspect.

 

[daftandbarmy]

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

Isolate the urban areas and keep the occupiers tied up in those same urban areas.

What does that remind you of ?

Oh wait, we just wasted a couple of decades in such a place.

Everyone should read Guerilla Warfare by Chè Guevara if they want to understand how to successfully prosecute a guerilla war/insurgency.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Right. I would expect indigenous communities to put up a fight and quebecers etc

I would expect that yes there would be some resistance in various forms on various fronts. Would it be some massive resistance thing? No.

But they’d be dealing with an IRA style problem I would suspect.

Can we at least agree that neither of us want to find out ?

Oh wait, we just wasted a couple of decades in such a place.

Everyone should read Guerilla Warfare by Chè Guevara if they want to understand how to successfully prosecute a guerilla war/insurgency.

Crazy how a simple storesmen, like myself, can understand the concept.

 

[The Bread Guy]

This is the boogeyman that always gets dragged out but there is a lot more to it.

Many health problems in the United States are a result of lifestyle choices: obesity, tobacco use, alcohol & drugs.

Even with that, life expectancy isn't that drastically different from us.

Cynics will say the saying how good the overall life expectancy may not help those who have to get a mortgage for health care, or buy cheap insulin to save for wedding. And we know how helpful tgat approach had been here re: people having trouble paying for stuff being told the economy’s just fine right?

 

[mariomike]

Questioning rural patriotism and Saying rural folks would just roll over for the US is kind of inaccurate.

Not to question their patriotism, but how many "rural folks" are there in Canada?

According to Statistics Canada,

As of the 2021 census, nearly 6 million people ( 16% of the total Canadian population ) lived in rural areas of Canada.

 

[Kirkhill]

It ain't the guns though, can we just put that out there. If gun ownership was the sole factor, Montana and Alberta would be the most violent places in North America.


Not if there isn't a border anymore. The East Coast of Canada would be better off as part of the United States. Confederation actually harmed the East Coast significantly and it has never recovered.



There are no British Regulars in Canada and there will be no repeat of Queenston Heights.


The US already owns most of the Natural Resources in Canada because it owns all the Companies that own them. It wants to exploit them and it wants our Govt(s) to GTFO of the way.

I could see the ultimate goal being the US pressuring us to change our stance on the NW Passage & our UNCLOS interpretation. That and allowing then to build additional Military bases in the High Arctic. We have shown no interest in developing our North so the Americans are going to do it for us.



Yep... the initial indignation would be followed by "what are you going to do about it?" .... the answer would be ABSOLUTELY NOTHING

There seems to be this myth that some sort of Canadian Mujahideen would emerge. This myth is perpetuated by champagne urbanites least prepared for any sort of insurrection. It falls apart when they realize it is they and not someone else who would have to do the fighting.

My take is the rural folk would probably welcome the Americans and stick it to Ottawa.

The creation of Nunavut, IMO, made the prospect of a northern buffer zone separate from Canada more likely.

57,000 Inuit on Greenland
70,000 Inuit in Canada of whom 41,000 are in Nunavut and the rest are on the arctic shores of Labrador, Quebec, Manitoba, Northwest Territories and Yukon.

How much would it cost for a developer (US or Chinese) to buy out 127,000 locals with the prospect of becoming Guam or Puerto Rico?

We don't prize our north enough to spend on it or defend it. The Americans have always seen its strategic advantages and have invested heavily in it. Much of the infrastructure of the north was built by Americans.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

Cynics will say the saying how good the overall life expectancy may not help those who have to get a mortgage for health care, or buy cheap insulin to save for wedding. And we know how helpful tgat approach had been here re: people having trouble paying for stuff being told the economy’s just fine right?

Let's not pretend things are really any better up here:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/spinal-muscular-atrophy-jeremy-bray-treatment-1.7411564

FIRST READING: Hundreds seeking death due to loneliness — inside Canada’s new MAID figures

In Quebec, one in every 14 deaths is now from assisted suicide.

nationalpost.com

 

[Halifax Tar]

Let's not pretend things are really any better up here:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/spinal-muscular-atrophy-jeremy-bray-treatment-1.7411564

FIRST READING: Hundreds seeking death due to loneliness — inside Canada’s new MAID figures

In Quebec, one in every 14 deaths is now from assisted suicide.

nationalpost.com

I initially supported MAID but things seem to be getting out of hand...

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

The creation of Nunavut, IMO, made the prospect of a northern buffer zone separate from Canada more likely.

57,000 Inuit on Greenland
70,000 Inuit in Canada of whom 41,000 are in Nunavut and the rest are on the arctic shores of Labrador, Quebec, Manitoba, Northwest Territories and Yukon.

How much would it cost for a developer (US or Chinese) to buy out 127,000 locals with the prospect of becoming Guam or Puerto Rico?

We don't prize our north enough to spend on it or defend it. The Americans have always seen its strategic advantages and have invested heavily in it. Much of the infrastructure of the north was built by Americans.

Bingo...

Greenlanders want closer integration with the United States and are also seeking to promote Pan-Inuit relations. America can show up with a briefcase and buy the locals off.