U.S. Annexing Canada (split fm Liberal Minority thread)

[Halifax Tar]

Nothing wrong with that. But she doesn’t have to air out for our adversaries to take advantage of. That’s what she did.

I’m not knocking her for trying to appeal to trump or look out out for her province but her way of doing it doesn’t help.

Again, she's Alberta first; I can appreciate why feels that way.

And vice versa.

doesn’t justify being anti Canadian.

It certainly did to get where it is. But hey let’s conveniently forget that.

Hey, its Canada's job to show Alberta why is valuable to the rest of the country. Alberta is certainly contributing its fair share.

Fail to do that and this is where it gets you.

I want want Canada to make it through this, with Alberta. But I also think this has shown some real weaknesses in our unity and we need to work on that.

 

[GK .Dundas]

She's decidedly less a provincial leader and basically just provincial.
She's playing to her base in hopes of improving her position.
Welcome to modern Canadian politics . Where nothing outside your riding ,your province and or the Country could possibly be all that important.
Just ignore the world it will go away eventually.

 

[Remius]

Again, she's Alberta first; I can appreciate why feels that way.



Hey, its Canada's job to show Alberta why is valuable to the rest of the country. Alberta is certainly contributing its fair share.

Fail to do that and this is where it gets you.

I want want Canada to make it through this, with Alberta. But I also think this has shown some real weaknesses in our unity and we need to work on that.

None of that justifies sabotaging (intentionally or not) your own side.

 

[Halifax Tar]

None of that justifies sabotaging (intentionally or not) your own side.

That's your opinion, I see it differently.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Welcome to modern Canadian politics . Where nothing outside your riding ,your province and or the Country could possibly be all that important.
Just ignore the world it will go away eventually.

This is what we have to work on if we make it through this.

Not only will our next PM be tasked with righting the economy they are going to have heal a fractured nation. Its a tall order.

 

[Remius]

That's your opinion, I see it differently.

It is.

 

[Kirkhill]

It doesn't have to be binary, though. And as you're seeing with some of the comments, to use a phrase sometimes used in the military, it's interesting to see her triage regarding loyalty up and loyalty down here. Can't blame her for pushing hard for her own team, but are there ways to do that without causing problems for the league?

Except that "her own team" publicly bandied the prospect of shutting down energy exports from her province. (Trudeau and Ford). And Trudeau already has form on wanting to shut down that industry. Trump could give Trudeau a great opening to do just that. Guilbeault would be very happy.

 

[Remius]

Except that "her own team" publicly bandied the prospect of shutting down energy exports from her province. (Trudeau and Ford). And Trudeau already has form on wanting to shut down that industry. Trump could give Trudeau a great opening to do just that. Guilbeault would be very happy.

Again they didn’t single out just Alberta now did they. They are wielding their cards and letting the US know what tools we have.

To quote Ford “when you play poker and you have aces you don’t tell your opponent what you have”. Even our other separatist premier gets it. Alberta’s should understand that as well.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Again they didn’t single out just Alberta now did they. They are wielding their cards and letting the US know what tools we have.

To quote Ford “when you play poker and you have aces you don’t tell your opponent what you have”. Even our other separatist premier gets it. Alberta’s should understand that as well.

The way I see it Ford and Feds seem to be playing poker with someone else's hand and buy in.

I wonder if Alberta was consulted before they, Ford and Feds, went and threatened their retaliations. I have to suspect this wasn't done, and Alberta was again ignored. Hence DS making the move(s) she did.

All speculation by me, but it seems plausible.

I can appreciate Ford and his leadership on this, but I get the feeling Alberta wants to be treated like an equal partner, not a pawn for someone else to move around a board.

 

[Brad Sallows]

So what are ON and QC proposing to give up that will cost them proportionately as much as cutting energy exports will affect AB? Is Ford going to renegotiate the Auto Pact to be less net favourable to ON/Canada (a perception which exists on both sides of the border)?

All I'm hearing so far still sounds mostly like "let's you (AB) and him (US) fight".

 

[The Bread Guy]

Except that "her own team" publicly bandied the prospect of shutting down energy exports from her province. (Trudeau and Ford).

Recall Ottawa saying energy’s on the table, and Ford saying electricity (also a type of energy) on the table, but don’t recall Ford throwing AB under the bus. I stand to be corrected, though.

And Trudeau already has form on wanting to shut down that industry. Trump could give Trudeau a great opening to do just that. Guilbeault would be very happy.

Trump would be happy to see the end of Canada’s oil industry? Interesting read…

 

[QV]

Alberta should tread carefully. It is surrounded by entities hostile to its industry. The unbecoming part is the hostility from within Canada from those importing regime oil or investing in foreign oil. Any wonder why the division grows? That seems like a losing game to continue playing…

 

[Remius]

Recall Ottawa saying energy’s on the table, and Ford saying electricity (also a type of energy) on the table, but don’t recall Ford throwing AB under the bus. I stand to be corrected, though.

No one has. But the butt hurt wexiters are hearing what they want to hear.

Trump would be happy to see the end of Canada’s oil industry? Interesting read…

Plenty of interest groups in the US would. Remember who cancelled that pipeline. It wasn’t Canada.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Recall Ottawa saying energy’s on the table, and Ford saying electricity (also a type of energy) on the table, but don’t recall Ford throwing AB under the bus. I stand to be corrected, though.

Trump would be happy to see the end of Canada’s oil industry? Interesting read…

Interesting articles for you.

* | Latest Market News | Argus Media

Tariffs threatened by the US against Canada will become a reality, according to the premier of oil-rich Alberta , but any retaliation will not entail cutting off energy exports.

www.argusmedia.com

Oilpatch wary as Ottawa, provinces threaten energy exports in retaliation over Trump tariffs

Donald Trump's claim that he will slap a 25 per cent tariff on all imported Canadian goods sent a jolt through the energy sector. Read more

financialpost.com

Oil Embargo on the U.S. Could Blow Up in Canada's Face | OilPrice.com

Alberta Premier Danielle Smith opposes federal threats to impose an oil embargo on the U.S.

oilprice.com

Any talk of turning off energy exports needs to be defined. If it is not inclusive of Alberta oil and is only electricity that needs to be expressly said. And I have take from the reaction of Ford and the Feds to DS moves this week it was on the table. Again only my suspicions.

 

[Eaglelord17]

Someone needs to tell all the Premiers to shut up and stay in their lanes. International affairs is a Federal matter, no Premier should be going to another country and trying to negotiate.

 

[Kirkhill]

Recall Ottawa saying energy’s on the table, and Ford saying electricity (also a type of energy) on the table, but don’t recall Ford throwing AB under the bus. I stand to be corrected, though.

That was certainly the inference drawn out here.

Trump would be happy to see the end of Canada’s oil industry? Interesting read…

Trump may not be happy to see that but there are plenty that would take advantage of the opportunity if it presented itself.

There is always a lot of chaotic toing and froing in negotiations with nothing being clear until papers signed and you have a year or two to understand the effects of the agreements.

...

I'm inclined to suck back and reload on this one. Let's watch for a while.

 

[Kirkhill]

Someone needs to tell all the Premiers to shut up and stay in their lanes. International affairs is a Federal matter, no Premier should be going to another country and trying to negotiate.

We don't have a Federal government, certainly not one that the Premiers trust. Strangely, in 1867, the Premiers signed on to this Confederation thing on the grounds that they were hiring a Federal government to manage these exact negotiations - inter-provincial disputes, international negotiations and national defence/security.

A hundred a some years later we have a Federal government focused on handing out baby bonuses, threatening provincial interests and clueless about how to negotiate with other countries.

 

[Remius]

We don't have a Federal government, certainly not one that the Premiers trust. Strangely, in 1867, the Premiers signed on to this Confederation thing on the grounds that they were hiring a Federal government to manage these exact negotiations - inter-provincial disputes, international negotiations and national defence/security.

A hundred a some years later we have a Federal government focused on handing out baby bonuses, threatening provincial interests and clueless about how to negotiate with other countries.

The PM and premiers are giving a press conference right now. First time they all look or at least sound united.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Interesting articles for you.

* | Latest Market News | Argus Media

Tariffs threatened by the US against Canada will become a reality, according to the premier of oil-rich Alberta , but any retaliation will not entail cutting off energy exports.

www.argusmedia.com

Oilpatch wary as Ottawa, provinces threaten energy exports in retaliation over Trump tariffs

Donald Trump's claim that he will slap a 25 per cent tariff on all imported Canadian goods sent a jolt through the energy sector. Read more

financialpost.com

Oil Embargo on the U.S. Could Blow Up in Canada's Face | OilPrice.com

Alberta Premier Danielle Smith opposes federal threats to impose an oil embargo on the U.S.

oilprice.com

Any talk of turning off energy exports needs to be defined. If it is not inclusive of Alberta oil and is only electricity that needs to be expressly said. And I have take from the reaction of Ford and the Feds to DS moves this week it was on the table. Again only my suspicions.

Thanks for these - always happy to get more detail.

 

[Remius]

The PM and premiers are giving a press conference right now. First time they all look or at least sound united.

Just a quick edit. Daniel Smith is absent from the joint press conference. So maybe not so united. We’ll see what she says.