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U.S. Politics 2018

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mariomike said:
You bring Hillary Clinton into this thread. Even though she has been out of U.S. Politics since 2016.

To paraphrase you from another political thread yesterday, "Was < snip > found guilty of < snip > ?

If you want to continue discussing Hillary Clinton is this thread, one could ask a similar question.

Hillary Clinton clearly does not believe she is "out of" US Politics since 2016, continuing to give overtly political speeches, book tours and public appearances. Her most recent speech in India lets us all know how she feels about the electorate, and possibly gives a hint about what tack she or the DNC may take next:

http://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinton-says-trump-won-backwards-states-in-2016-2018-3

I suspect the only way to get the Clintons out of US politics is going to be "feet first".
 
Just a couple of random thoughts on why things haven't come down on the democrats yet. Perhaps, they are just waiting until the anti Trump stuff is out of the way to give them a clear field.

-or-

The GOP is waiting until the dems come out with their candidate, then they will have dems testifying, and very possibly making themselves look really, really bad, all through the election cycle.
 
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/03/14/us/politics/andrew-mccabe-fbi-firing-recommendation-justice-department.html?referer=https://www.google.ca/


Mr. Sessions is the final arbiter of Mr. McCabe’s dismissal, shortly before his retirement takes effect Sunday. Though no decision has been made, people inside the Justice Department expect him to be fired before Friday, a decision that would jeopardize his pension as a 21-year F.B.I. veteran.

Classy.
 
Thucydides said:
Hillary Clinton clearly does not believe she is "out of" US Politics since 2016, continuing to give overtly political speeches, book tours and public appearances. Her most recent speech in India lets us all know how she feels about the electorate, and possibly gives a hint about what tack she or the DNC may take next:

http://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinton-says-trump-won-backwards-states-in-2016-2018-3

I suspect the only way to get the Clintons out of US politics is going to be "feet first".

I was not replying to her book tour as a private citizen. I was replying to this,

QUOTE

"Trying to salvage the Clinton Empire Foundation. You know, random 1 million dollar gift from Qatar here, 25 million from Saudi Arabia there. $10 or $89.6 million from Norway depending on the source.  Strangely donations dropped significantly when Hillary took a nose dive, I wonder why that was. I mean it's a non-profit organization after all."

"You don't consider the emails or foundation super serious issues?"

"Why would the Clinton Foundation see a decrease in donations when it was clear Clinton wasn't going to become the president?  I mean, the foundation is about the children after all, why doesn't it matter who the president is?  You don't suppose countries and agencies were donating to the Clinton Foundation with certain expectations, do you?"

END QUOTE

My question to that was,

"To paraphrase you from another political thread yesterday, "Was < snip > found guilty of < snip > ?"


 
- http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43390652
It's looking increasingly like, despite a growing economy and relative calm overseas, Democrats are going to have a very, very good autumn.

Whatever the outcome of the Pennsylvania race, the simple fact that it was close is stunning. This was a congressional district drawn by state Republicans in 2011 to be a safe seat for their party. Donald Trump won there by nearly 20 points in the 2016 presidential election. In 2014 and 2016 Democrats didn't even field anyone.

According to the political website FiveThirtyEight.com, the Pennsylvania results fit with a Trump-era trend of Democratic candidates outperforming the partisan "lean" in their races by an average of17 points.

The skinny  version :  There are more than hundred Republican-held congressional districts across the country that have a narrower margin than 17. If seats that look like this one in Pennsylvania are toss-ups in November, it's going to be a bloodbath.
Come November I'm going to be disappointed if the democrats dont own the house and senate.
 
mariomike said:
"Lock her up! Lock her up!"

Why didn't they?

Patience.

There's no rush, and almost seven years to go yet.
 
Altair said:
I can't wait till November,  looking like a blue tide is coming in to deal with agent orange.

Put your money into RRSPs and not foolish bets.

This was no indication of a trend, and the Democrats cannot afford to put as much support into a full slate of candidates as they did this single campaign.

They have no credible/attractive leader, or one in waiting, no platform, and no money.

The Republicans have cash on hand and a leader with rising popularity, whether you like him or not.
 
Altair said:
- http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43390652 Come November I'm going to be disappointed if the democrats dont own the house and senate.

You have ample time to prepare yourself, then.
 
A lengthy read, with lots of plot twists:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/03/russia-collusion-real-story-hillary-clinton-dnc-fbi-media/

The Real Collusion Story

By Michael Doran

March 13, 2018 6:30 AM   

In a textbook example of denial and projection, Trump foes in and out of government wove a sinister yarn meant to take him down.
 
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/03/why-tillerson-had-to-go/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=NR%20Daily%20Monday%20through%20Friday%202018-03-14&utm_term=NR5PM%20Actives

Why Tillerson Had to Go

By Arthur Herman

March 14, 2018 3:05 PM

In the Trump administration, unconventional, assertive thinking about foreign policy is in; ineffectual, process-driven diplomacy is out.

"Of all the abrupt comings and goings in this administration, the dismissal of Rex Tillerson is undoubtedly the most important - maybe one of the most important firings since Harry Truman fired Douglas MacArthur during the Korean War.

"By dismissing MacArthur, Truman drew a firm line between military and civilian authority that no soldier since has dared to cross. By dumping Tillerson, Trump has sent a similarly unambiguous message to the entrenched bureaucracy - Foggy Bottom’s version of the “deep state” - and to America’s political elites about the future direction of U.S. foreign policy, hopefully one that will outlast his administration.

"To understand what’s going on, let’s stipulate a couple of things.

"First, Rex Tillerson is a man of deeply conventional mindset during a deeply unconventional time, a man with no understanding of the rapidly changing face of world trends, especially but not limited to the rise of China as an aggressively revisionist power; Iran’s determined bid for regional hegemony, including getting nuclear weapons; and the fateful dynamic of Russia’s reassertion of its imperial ambitions in Eastern Europe and against the West under Vladimir Putin.

"Second, Trump almost certainly did not realize this when he appointed Tillerson secretary of state. He probably assumed Tillerson would bring a businessman’s mindset to the job, as a hard-headed negotiator with a shrewd nose for good deals sharpened by years as a CEO of a global energy corporation, ExxonMobil. Above all, he assumed Tillerson would be someone like himself, who would immediately recognize the place of American interests in the world, and fight for those interests with energy and boldness.

"Trump thought he was getting a lion in Tillerson. Instead, he was getting a Saint Bernard. Like the breed, Tillerson may be large and imposing at first glance; but he is no fighter, least of all against the bureaucratic mentality that permeates the U.S. State Department.

"Here we can stipulate a third point. Virtually every secretary of state since Cordell Hull has suffered one of two fates. Either he or she becomes the president’s representative to the bureaucracy - and when necessary the ruthless enforcer of the chief executive’s will in Foggy Bottom - or he or she becomes the bureaucracy’s representative to the president, and assumes the role of bringing the State Department’s views to the chief executive’s attention - even at times serving as an advocate of those views.

"The latter is what happened to Tillerson. It’s also what happened to Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice when they became secretaries of state - and Condi, interestingly, was one of the people who most strenuously worked to get Tillerson on the Trump team. She clearly recognized in Tillerson the man who could become the State Department’s watchdog in the Trump cabinet, someone who would uphold its world view revolving around incrementalism and process, and who, when U.S. interests conflict with a globalist agenda favored by elites, e.g. on global warming or the Arab–Israeli “peace process,” would automatically side with the elites."
 
Loachman said:
You have ample time to prepare yourself, then.

Perp Walk  :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYEY4x0_RDY

 
PPCLI Guy said:
Kind of reminds me of Benghazi......

How so?  I must be missing the correlation here?  How does this relate to citizens being hung out to dry by the official government departments to paint a pretty picture prior to a major election and entirely fabricated, well televised lies that sent innocent people to jail and others to their deaths?
 
Loachman said:
. . .
"Second, Trump almost certainly did not realize this when he appointed Tillerson secretary of state. He probably assumed Tillerson would bring a businessman’s mindset to the job, as a hard-headed negotiator with a shrewd nose for good deals sharpened by years as a CEO of a global energy corporation, ExxonMobil. Above all, he assumed Tillerson would be someone like himself, who would immediately recognize the place of American interests in the world, and fight for those interests with energy and boldness.

"Trump thought he was getting a lion in Tillerson. Instead, he was getting a Saint Bernard. Like the breed, Tillerson may be large and imposing at first glance; but he is no fighter, least of all against the bureaucratic mentality that permeates the U.S. State Department.
. . .

So in other words, Trump made a really bad decision. He chose a person with no experience in diplomacy, undermined him repeatedly and took a year to get rid of him. Whatever happened to "the buck stops here"?

:cheers:
 
Jed said:
How so?  I must be missing the correlation here?  How does this relate to citizens being hung out to dry by the official government departments to paint a pretty picture prior to a major election and entirely fabricated, well televised lies that sent innocent people to jail and others to their deaths?

My comment was related to the highlighted bit:

If all those smart people on the House Committee couldn't find anything,
 
FJAG said:
So in other words, Trump made a really bad decision. He chose a person with no experience in diplomacy, undermined him repeatedly and took a year to get rid of him. Whatever happened to "the buck stops here"?

Maybe he was giving him a chance to improve. Who, outside of a small number, knows?

And does everybody else make nothing but good decisions, every time?

Having made a choice that turned out to be less than ideal, should he not have corrected it?
 
mariomike said:
Perp Walk  :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYEY4x0_RDY

Yes, there's somebody else setting himself up for disappointment.
 
Loachman said:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/03/russia-collusion-real-story-hillary-clinton-dnc-fbi-media/

The Real Collusion Story
By Michael Dora
The last sentence is brilliant (well, for those who appreciate "irony" despite the term having more than one or two syllables)
 
If by last sentence you mean this one: "How much longer will Hillary Clinton’s damaged psyche hold America hostage?", then the answer is simple.

Her "psyche" ceased to matter to America the day she was defeated. The one people hostage in America are the Trumpists that are incapable of accepting that they won, move on from the election and get on with governing, instead of constantly reliving their perceived slights.

But hey! When you are from a base that actually believes there is a sinister "deep state" trying to engulf the world into some sort of slavery by conspiring to make people everywhere believe nonsense like "global warming" and that the earth is round and 4.5 billion years old, instead of the truth that the earth is flat and 6,000 years old, then no wonder you don't get who should have their psyche examined by professionals.
 
Oldgateboatdriver said:
The one people hostage in America are the Trumpists that are incapable of accepting that they won, move on from the election and get on with governing, instead of constantly reliving their perceived slights.

But hey! When you are from a base that actually believes there is a sinister "deep state" trying to engulf the world into some sort of slavery by conspiring to make people everywhere believe nonsense like "global warming" and that the earth is round and 4.5 billion years old, instead of the truth that the earth is flat and 6,000 years old, then no wonder you don't get who should have their psyche examined by professionals.
Well, I didn't want to come right out and try and explain 'the obvious to the oblivious'.... but thanks.  ;)
 
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