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Tuna

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does anyone have any news about any Canadian UAV projects on the go? I know that the heron is only a lease and that when it expires, we will look for a longer term UAV solution. I heard something about Canadian UAV's in Libya any other details on that? also does anyone know any of the capabilities of the current heron? hopefully we could get one of the operators on this thread for a full review?
 
Tuna said:
I know that the heron is only a lease and that when it expires,

Ahem........it is not "when".....its already done.


I heard something about Canadian UAV's in Libya

You heard wrong.

any other details on that? also does anyone know any of the capabilities of the current heron?

There is no "current" Heron.............its done....over...finished........
 
Tuna said:
I heard something about Canadian UAV's in Libya any other details on that?

The only Canadian UAV was a single mini-UAV the Libyan rebels bought from a Canadian company. This is probably what you are thinking about.
 
Retired AF Guy said:
The only Canadian UAV was a single mini-UAV the Libyan rebels bought from a Canadian company. This is probably what you are thinking about.

that was it, I thought that they may have something to do with the military, but I suppose not
 
There are more UAV's then just the Heron. The Maverick MUAV and ScanEagle SUAV are in use although both are coming to end of lease. That being said, there is little chance that the artillery will give us the SUAV capability anytime soon.
 
Tuna,

Please follow the guidelines you agreed to when you joined here. In particular, the use of capitalization.

Milnet.ca Staff
 
The Heron UAV still flies in Afghanistan with a Kangaroo on the roundel as opposed to a Maple Leaf.  Canadian Techs from MDA still do the maintenance.  Perhaps that is why there was some confusion.
 
eurowing said:
The Heron UAV still flies in Afghanistan with a Kangaroo on the roundel as opposed to a Maple Leaf.  Canadian Techs from MDA still do the maintenance.  Perhaps that is why there was some confusion.

That may have been the source of my confusion, as well as the fact that there is still Operation Attention to finish.
 
Just curious, who flies the uav's for canada?
 
As of right now, 4 Air Defence Regiment in Gagetown flies the Scan Eagle UAV. 
 
Maverick MUAV's are operated by the Infantry while the RCAS is the Center of Excellence for them but I'm not sure how, or if they even are, are employed at the Btn's.
 
Unfortunate.....

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/02/09/pol-canada-nato-alliance-ground-surveillance.html

Canada pulls out of NATO surveillance project

U.S., Germany, Norway among countries in UAV surveillance project based in Italy


Canada is pulling out of a NATO surveillance project 20 years in the making that will use unmanned aerial vehicles to collect information.

The Alliance Ground Surveillance project was conceived in 1992. Canada signed a memorandum of understanding with 13 other countries, including the U.S., Germany and Norway, in 2009.

The program, with its main operating base in Italy, would have cost Canada up to $450 million over 20 years for acquisition and in-service support. But it's now seen as a legacy project that's not affordable because of global economic conditions and Canada faced with having to make decisions over where to spend its defence budget.

A spokeswoman for the Department of National Defence said the full withdrawal will be effective in spring of 2012.

"NATO has been informed of these decisions. The details of our withdrawal are still under discussion with NATO," Kim Tulipan said in an emailed response to a question from CBC News.

"Canada’s commitment to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization Alliance (NATO) is unwavering. Canada is delivering on NATO operations around the world and has been at the forefront of efforts to transform and reform the Alliance to meet modern-day needs."

A NATO website for the surveillance project said the ability to have "eyes on target" at strategic ranges is a vital requirement and refers to the 2011 mission in Libya as an example of how surveillance is useful. The mission in Libya saw NATO troops provide air cover to protect anti-Moammar Gadhafi forces as they fought to unseat the country's leader.

The system would allow NATO to perform surveillance over wide areas from "high-altitude, long-endurance, unmanned aerial platforms operating at considerable stand-off distances and in any weather or light condition."

NATO said the surveillance system will help monitor weapons of mass destruction and military force build-ups, evacuation operations, civil unrest and anti-piracy.

At a press conference last Friday to mark the end of the NATO defence ministers meeting, NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen said members had "found the way ahead on a practical funding solution" for the system.

"This means that a group of allies will acquire five reconnaissance drones. NATO will then maintain and operate them on behalf of all 28 allies. This will give our commanders the ability to see what is happening on the ground at long range and over periods of time – around the clock, and in any weather," he said.

Canada entered into an agreement on satellite surveillance and communications last month. The agreement with the U.S. and Australia gives Canada access to secure communication, surveillance and UAVs.
 
Bit of a bump.

Two articles -

Defense-Aerospace

Northrop Grumman, L-3 MAS to Join Forces On Unmanned System for Canadian Security
(Source: Northrop Grumman Corporation; issued May 30, 2012)

OTTAWA, Ontario --- Northrop Grumman Corporation (NOC) and L-3 MAS announced plans today to join forces on a variant of the Northrop Grumman-produced Global Hawk high-altitude, long-endurance (HALE) unmanned aircraft system (UAS) for Canada to maintain continuous surveillance of its Arctic territories.

Dubbed "Polar Hawk," the system will be designed to stay aloft for long periods of time in harsh weather conditions over vast expanses of the Earth's surface monitoring land, ice, littoral and open water environments throughout the Arctic.

"Northrop Grumman and L-3 MAS are combining our formidable strengths to provide a surveillance system to meet requirements defined in the Canada First Defence Strategy," said Duke Dufresne, vice president and general manager for Northrop Grumman's unmanned systems business. "Polar Hawk's operational features are uniquely suited to augment Canada's existing surveillance capabilities and extend its reach to patrol large geographical areas, keeping constant vigil over the nation's vast Arctic region from coast-to-coast in a single mission."

"L-3 MAS's expertise in the management and maintenance of large fleets of manned aircraft, its strong heritage in UAS development and state of the art in-service support solutions are a natural fit with Northrop Grumman's global leadership in the design, development, production, operational support and sustainment of unmanned aircraft systems for customers worldwide," said Jacques Comtois, vice president and general manager of L-3 MAS. "Together L-3 MAS and Northrop Grumman have assembled a strong Canadian industrial team to develop a very robust, long-term and affordable turnkey solution for Canada's current and future domestic sovereignty and security concerns over its Arctic territories."

Flying at 60,000 feet, well above challenging weather and all commercial air traffic, Polar Hawk™ can range over 22,000 kilometres and stay airborne for more than 33 hours, day or night in all weather conditions.

In addition to its surveillance payloads, Polar Hawk has the power to support and can be equipped with a wide range of instrumentation for conducting science and environmental missions, as demonstrated by NASA using earlier versions of the Global Hawk UAS as far as 85 degrees north latitude. It can also be deployed to support humanitarian missions and provide surveillance over Canada's vast territory stretching from the Atlantic to the Pacific territorial waters and coasts.


Northrop Grumman is a leading global security company providing innovative systems, products and solutions in aerospace, electronics, information systems, and technical services to government and commercial customers worldwide.

L-3 MAS, a division of L-3's Integrated Systems Group, is among Canada's leading providers of aircraft life-cycle extension services, aircraft in-service support services and aerostructures to government and commercial customers. L-3 MAS is headquartered in Mirabel, Quebec, and has operating centres across Canada and in Williamtown, Australia.

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And this older one from Satellite Today

Contraction, Reaction: Budget Cut Resistance Driving UAV Technology Initiatives

April 1, 2012 | Via Satellite | Jeffrey Hill


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Canada

Simultaneously, the same public and private sector interaction over UAVs is happening north of the U.S. border. At the beginning of 2012, The Royal Canadian Air Force launched its own review of the country’s intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance needs in an effort to determine the right combination of unmanned planes, maritime patrol aircraft and satellites.

Canada’s Joint UAV Surveillance and Target Acquisition System (JUSTAS) program includes the procurement of UAVs, spare parts, ground stations and a 20-year in-service support package that will be provided by the winning bidder of a private-sector contract expected to exceed 1.5 billion Canadian dollars ($1.45 billion).

A contract for JUSTAS was supposed to have been awarded in the fall of 2010, with operating capability for the Canadian UAV fleet scheduled for February 2012.

JUSTAS deputy project director Maj. Mark Wuennenberg says the Canadian Air Force will eventually begin the JUSTAS initiative after the program’s C4ISR strategy is hammered out in the summer of this year. “Initial operating capability is expected in 2017, with full operational capability in 2019,” he says. “It’s understood that all the UAV capabilities outlined in the JUSTAS program are out there and are all needed because they bring their own specific capabilities to the table. It’s just the mix that needs to be validated.”

Canada also uses the Radarsat 2 satellite for UAV programs. The satellite was built by MacDonald Dettwiler and Associates (MDA) and launched by Starsem on a Soyuz rocket for the Canadian Space Agency (CSA) in December 2007.

Wuennenberg says there’s a reason why the military hasn’t released many details about that future acquisition. “The C4ISR Strategy is in the process of determining which surveillance assets are best suited for particular roles. The questions that have come up are, how many manned [aircraft] do we need, how many unmanned, how many satellites and what do each provide?”

Canada is currently in the midst of a $1.5 billion program to upgrade its existing Aurora maritime patrol planes that will allow the fleet to continue operating beyond 2020. The Auroras will be upgraded with structural and sensor improvements by 2014 to provide improved capability in conducting surveillance operations along Canadian coastlines and overseas. While Wuennenberg says the UAVs to be purchased under the JUSTAS program would be capable of carrying weapons, the primary role for the aircraft is intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance.

“JUSTAS will be used for overland and maritime surveillance, both in an expeditionary role and for domestic operations,” he says. “[The Canadian Air Force] wants its UAVs to carry a range of sensors, including a gyro-stabilized sensor turret to enable crew to covertly detect, identify and track targets at least as small as humans with weapons, and obtain targeting data at any time of the day.”

Satellite information solutions company MDA is one of a number of companies that are preparing to bid on the JUSTAS project once a request for proposals is issued. MDA delivers operational airborne imaging systems designed as a variant of the Heron vehicle and based on Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) capability.

MDA feels confident it can win the UAV upgrade contract in its native country over U.S.-based technology firm General Atomics Aeronautical Systems, which will bid its Predator UAV to the Canadian Air Force. Canada did lease MDA tactical UAVs in January 2008 for its own Afghanistan mission, along with Israel Aerospace Industries’ Heron aircraft.

Regardless of which company wins the new upgrade contract, Wuennenberg says Canada’s military is committed to acquiring a UAV capability. “We’re fully resourced. We have the money we need. We have the people we need to go ahead to put forth a good robust capability for a UAV squadron.”

More at latter link.
 
I'm in the process of applying DEO and one of my choices is ACSO.

The ACSO video on the CF site says that ACSO's fly Canada's UAV's. Which UAV's do ACSO's currently fly or will fly down the line.

Thanks.

 
so I'm assuming they FLEW the UAV's we HAD on lease in Afghanistan?

 
seawolf said:
so I'm assuming they FLEW the UAV's we HAD on lease in Afghanistan?

Some were employed as AVOs for the Heron UAV, yes. Others were from the pilot trade.
 
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