unit traditional ranks

[theoldyoungguy]

I'm not sure if this has been brought up before, but myself and a bunch of people from my unit were discussing this on rememberance day. What is your opinion on traditional unit ranks such as rifleman, trooper, sapper etc. The discussion we had was that on past recruit courses people were getting remedial training for reffering to a bombadier as a corporal. I personally belive its a matter of respect, if a units tradition is to call a private a rifleman for example, then its for respect that we call the soldier rifleman. But I dont think its right to give a soldier c*ck for referring to a rifleman as a private for example, especially since theres no official CF rank called rifleman. I believe its best to simply correct the soldier and remind them of the tradition, not drill one into them. Whats your opinion on this issue?

 

[chrisf]

Very simple, if somone has told you that they are a bombadier/whatever, then you adress them as such, if they haven't mentioned it, then they have no right to jump down somone's throat over it, a simple correction is all that's nessascary.

On a recruit course, same thing, if the recruit hasn't been instructed to do somthing, you correct them, no sense in jumping down somone's throat about it.

That being said, with particular regard to the recruit course example, once a somone has been instructed to adress somone as such, then you do it. Plain and simple.

Given that "Rifleman" "Sapper" "Trooper" etc all refer to hook privates, I can't imagine any of them giving anyone a BOS.

 

[Kat Stevens]

Sapper refers to any combat Engineer of any rank, we are all Sappers.  Sapper as a rank is not solely "hook" privates, any private soldier in the Engineers is a sapper, it is his rank.

 

[Timmy!]

Given that "Rifleman" "Sapper" "Trooper" etc all refer to hook privates, I can't imagine any of them giving anyone a BOS.

I am under the idea that you must be done your first part of trade traning. Not the basic part.. so Craftsman is after you have EME Common.. or Gunner after you fire your first shell during MQ (QL3).

 

[GO!!!]

Seeing as most courses have strong foundations in c0ck  - any excuse will do.

"cock a doodle do - 25 pushups for you..."

As for not referring to a Bdr by his rank - his epaullette says "RCA" - right? For extra hints, check out his cap badge - there will be a cannon (for Bombarding things/people) He has 2 hooks? Then think back to your second class in basic, it was called "CF rank structure" and clearly outlined the ranks and appointments.

If the troop in question has difficulty with rank structure - he will probably become well acquainted with remedial trg!

 

[chrisf]

You'll find that if you think back to your class on CF rank structure, you'll call him a corpral, as that was what you were taught to call him, no one is formally taught the different names the trades use. What would I adress him as? If I were in a switched on mindset, bomadier, if I wasn't thinking about it (I very seldom run into artillery types), I'd call him corpral, either way, he'd have no grounds to give me crap for it.

 

[RHFC_piper]

heh... what ever happened to lance corporal... j/k.

Yeah.. it gets pretty complicated between units for rank.  Our private ranks are addressed as Fusilier... Which is basically Rifleman.

 

[GO!!!]

You'll find that if you think back to your class on CF rank structure, you'll call him a corpral, as that was what you were taught to call him, no one is formally taught the different names the trades use. What would I adress him as? If I were in a switched on mindset, bomadier, if I wasn't thinking about it (I very seldom run into artillery types), I'd call him corpral, either way, he'd have no grounds to give me crap for it.

I actually taught that class once ***hat, so I know the material - if you forgot it, it would behoove you to study up on your job.

It is not especially "switched on" to remember ranks as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Pte_Martin]

I actually taught that class once ***hat, so I know the material - if you forgot it, it would behoove you to study up on your job.

It is not especially "switched on" to remember ranks as far as I'm concerned.

You must feel proud teaching   that "class Once" I have never received training on it the only Class i have ever taken was  the navy rank and Army rank and that was just the generic rank. None of the "unit" ranks were taught to me i found it out on my own

 

[GO!!!]

You must feel proud teaching   that "class Once" I have never received training on it the only Class i have ever taken was   the navy rank and Army rank and that was just the generic rank. None of the "unit" ranks were taught to me i found it out on my own

I sure one could fill a library with what you don't know, but keep up the good work and reading up on things yourself. (pats on head)

 

[Pte_Martin]

I sure one could fill a library with what you don't know, but keep up the good work and reading up on things yourself. (pats on head)

I'm sure you could! I don't know that much I'm only a cpl in a reserve unit. But I'm working on what i do know. I just didn't like how you responded to Sig op that's all .You should know that all Classes and instructors will teach things differently.

 

[NCRCrow]

typical..BS...thats why people leave the CF

yes bumbadier

 

[RHFC_piper]

I sure one could fill a library with what you don't know, but keep up the good work and reading up on things yourself. (pats on head)

I'm going to have to agree with CPL on this one.  I have also taught this lesson a few times my self, and I don't recall ever seing the various trade ranks in the lesson plan, with the exception, of course, of the Navy variations.  But, since our regiment uses Fusilier in place of Private, I alway take the extra time to explain the variations.  But its not in the training pams.

 

[George Wallace]

Perhaps it is time for all of you to retire to your respective corners, wipe the sweat off with a towel, rehydrate and wait for the next bell to ring.  While you are reflecting on all of that, try looking at some of these:

Review of CF NCM Rank Structure

http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/24425.0.html

Ranks other than private - authority

http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/14098.0.html

the order of ranks

http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/22735.0.html

Where did these traditions come from?

http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/22248.0.html

Why is there a leaf above a Corporal's two stripes?

http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/22264.0.html

See you all later  .......    ;D

 

[GO!!!]

I call em as I see 'em. Instructors will teach things differently, I just endeavour to do it the right way.

In the reg force, there are craftsmen, sappers, gunners, troopers, privates and Bombadiers in the army.

A Bombadier is an Artillery Cpl, the rest are trade specific Ptes.

All of the other ranks (Cpl to CWO) are the same in the Land Force, with a few exceptions for appointments like CQs, SQs, QMSIs etc.

Now you know.

I'd be lying if I said that I knew the various ranks of certain militia units - but that is'nt really relevant to a reg F soldier.

Any more questions?

All of this is in the pam I used, it is currently available on the DIN.

 

[Pte_Martin]

What's a Craftsmen?

 

[Infanteer]

Now, are those ranks authorized by the QR&O or the NDA Act?

 

[George Wallace]

Now, are those ranks authorized by the QR&O or the NDA Act?

We could try looking these up:

There is an authority to use ranks other than private, cpl etc:

The NDA, articles 21 and 22 and the attached schedule, list ranks column I and approved alternates columns II,III and IV.

QROs online - Vol IV, Appx 1.1 - National Defence Act

 

[Fishbone Jones]

What's a Craftsmen?

Craftsmen are, typically, the EME trades. Mech, electrician, gun plumber, etc.

 

[Michael Dorosh]

I call em as I see 'em. Instructors will teach things differently, I just endeavour to do it the right way.

In the reg force, there are craftsmen, sappers, gunners, troopers, privates and Bombadiers in the army.

A Bombadier is an Artillery Cpl, the rest are trade specific Ptes.

You might be interested in knowing, then, that the rank is called Bombardier and not Bombadier.

All of the other ranks (Cpl to CWO) are the same in the Land Force, with a few exceptions for appointments like CQs, SQs, QMSIs etc.

They're not exceptions, they are a different category altogether.  And there are more than a few appointments, depending on the unit.  There are no special insignia for most of them, with the exception of Master Gunners, Pipe Majors, Drum Majors, Bugle Majors, formation level sergeants major such as a Brigade RSM, etc.