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US military planning to allow ILLEGAL Immigrants to enlist

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Take note that the MAVNI program, mentioned at this other thread, is currently still only open to non-immigrant foreigners staying LEGALLY in the US in certain temporary visa categories such as student visas and work permits.

This is just a possible expansion of the MAVNI program to include illegals.

Military.com

DoD Planning to Let Illegal Immigrants Enlist

Fox News | Sep 26, 2014
The Defense Department plans to let some illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as children enlist in the military -- a policy that comes as the Army is effectively firing active-duty soldiers due to budget cuts.

The Military Times reports that a program -- called the Military Accessions Vital to National Interest, or MAVNI -- which currently allows recruiters to search for foreign nationals with unique skills will be expanded to accommodate the new policy.

The Defense Department now wants to let in some illegal immigrants who enjoyed a reprieve under a 2012 Obama administration policy. That policy applied to those who came to the country before they were 16 years old and spares them from deportation.


The new program reportedly is capped at 1,500 recruits every year, and could be the first step in an effort to create a path to citizenship for some illegal immigrants.

(...EDITED)
 
They are there in the country in ever increasing numbers.  They may as well exploit this manpower resource to their benefit.  I am sure they'll garner more productive members and tax revenue for their society than they risk.
 
At quick glance, this seems like a variation on the French Foreign Legion.  I agree with JJT that they might as well exploit the manpower since the illegals are already there, but I pity the people trying to sell this to the American public when the US military is cutting back on personnel.
 
All branches of the military are downsizing.There will be stiff competition for the few slots available.I view this as a non-event.
 
tomahawk6 said:
All branches of the military are downsizing.There will be stiff competition for the few slots available.I view this as a non-event.

Call me pessimistic, but I can't see the American public embracing this whole-heartedly when there may will be some fanning the flames of "THEY'RE TAKING OUR JOBS!!!!"

I hope it's a non-event too, but I'm fairly certain it won't be.
 
Allowing foreigners the opportunity to serve isnt new.When I was a Lt. we had an NCO who was a former FFL soldier.Learned alot from him.I ran into a Polish soldier who had defected and enlisted.He spoke a half dozen languages and the Army made him a cook. ::)
 
tomahawk6 said:
Allowing foreigners the opportunity to serve isnt new.When I was a Lt. we had an NCO who was a former FFL soldier.Learned alot from him.I ran into a Polish soldier who had defected and enlisted.He spoke a half dozen languages and the Army made him a cook. ::)

I knew a soldier from Eastern Europe who spoke several languages as well. Our soldier seemed like an obvious guy for the intelligence world, like your troop, except that he could not get an appropriate security clearance.
 
Apparently former GOP congressman (and right wing nut) Allen West is calling for the military to disobey their Commander in Chief.

Allen West Tells Military To Disobey Commander-In-Chief
West Lashes Out At New Rules Expanding Military Service To Undocumented Immigrants

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/09/26/allen-west-tells-military-to-disobey-commander/200916

Fox News contributor Allen West, who has previously called President Obama an "Islamist" with unclear "loyalties," is now calling on the military to ignore orders from its commander-in-chief.

The Military Times reported that the Department of Defense will expand an existing program, Military Accessions Vital to National Interest (MAVNI), to allow recruiters "to target foreign nationals with high-demand skills, mostly rare foreign language expertise or specialized health care training." The program "is capped at 1,500 recruits per year. Officials say it's unclear how many of those might be unlawful DACA status immigrants as opposed to others who are also eligible for military service under MAVNI, including those with legal, nonpermanent visas such as students or tourists."

The Times noted that "the military recruits about 5,000 noncitizens each year, nearly all of them permanent U.S. residents, or so-called 'green card' holders. Starting in 2006, DoD began accepting some foreigners with nonpermanent visas, such as students or tourists, if they had special skills that are highly valued. After entering military service, foreigners are eligible for expedited U.S. citizenship. Since 2001, more than 92,000 foreign-born service members have become citizens while serving in uniform."

West, a retired Army Lt. Colonel whose service ended in controversy, reacted to the news on his Facebook page by writing that "Barack Hussein Obama took out his pen and ordered our Military to enlist illegal aliens. In other words, this charlatan has allowed those who have disrespected our Constitution and are not citizens to take an oath to support and defend the very document, our rule of law, of which they are in violation."

He added: "This is an illegal order and should not be followed by our Military."

West's post:

Morning folks. While you were sleeping, Barack Hussein Obama took out his pen and ordered our Military to enlist illegal aliens. In other words, this charlatan has allowed those who have disrespected our Constitution and are not citizens to take an oath to support and defend the very document, our rule of law, of which they are in violation. Obama has no constitutional authority to make any laws or rules concerning naturalization as stated in Art I Sect 8 Clause 4. This is an illegal order and should not be followed by our Military. As well, we are pink-slipping men and women in uniform, Americans, and Obama wants to enlist illegals. We are already outsourcing our national security to Syrian Islamists. This is intolerable and just another reason why we must flip the Senate and begin to reverse Obama's tyranny. Any Democrat supporting this illegal order needs to be voted out!

West has repeatedly launched vitriolic attacks against President Obama. He's called the president a "disgusting racist," and claimed "Barack Hussein Obama has an Islamist sympathy ... I don't understand where this president's loyalties lie, and I have to ask the question, whose side is he on?" Despite his controversial history, West is a regular on the Republican Party fundraising circuit.

The former Florida congressman previously questioned the "loyalties" of decorated veteran and Rep. Tammy Duckworth (D-IL) for serving with her fellow Democrats on the Benghazi select committee.

Similarly, Fox News host Sean Hannity said earlier this month, "I don't know if I can in good conscience recommend that any American sign up for the military under this leadership," while speaking about President Obama's foreign policy.
 
Allowing foreigners the opportunity to serve isnt new.
I'm pretty sure those foreigners entered the country legally and respected the laws and processes necessary to do so.
 
Marchog said:
I'm pretty sure those foreigners entered the country legally and respected the laws and processes necessary to do so.

Not necessarily. There was that episode where Reagan gave amnesty to all of the undocumented aliens back in the 80's.
 
I don't think that's a useful precedent, especially when its a question of letting people into the military (not just any old place) who effectively gave the middle finger to the country's laws, during a downsizing period. The whole thing seems utterly bizarre to me, and I can see why some people down there might be justifiably upset (and not just "right-wing bogeyman" punching bags).
 
Marchog said:
I don't think that's a useful precedent, especially when its a question of letting people into the military (not just any old place) who effectively gave the middle finger to the country's laws, during a downsizing period. The whole thing seems utterly bizarre to me, and I can see why some people down there might be justifiably upset (and not just "right-wing bogeyman" punching bags).

Whether you think it's a useful precedent or not is not relevant. The point is that there are cases where people have entered the country illegally have eventually made it into the US military legally.

Your statement also doesn't allow for the so-called Dreamers, who were brought to the US as children with out having the choice. Some came as infants and grew up knowing no other country but the US. 
 
The point is that there are cases where people have entered the country illegally have eventually made it into the US military legally.
That there have been cases does not mean that it should be encouraged. This train of thought is simply a non sequitur.

My statement did not allow for "dreamers" because it didn't concern them. I think it was quite clear that I was talking about people who made a conscious decision to break the law in order to enter.
 
First, you made the statement in response to the comment


Marchog said:
Allowing foreigners the opportunity to serve isnt new.

I'm pretty sure those foreigners entered the country legally and respected the laws and processes necessary to do so.

I pointed out that there are cases that contradict your statement.

I am not offering an opinion one way or another on the merits of the policy. Just pointing out that you made an assumption that was incorrect.
 
I cannot remember when we changed our rules (can you help OS?) but in the 1950s and '60s almost anyone could enlist, as an "other rank" in the Canadian Army, anyway, and one could enroll as an (aspiring) officer if one was a "British Subject." That "almost anyone" certainly included Germans who, just a few years before were fighting against us; one of the very best senior NCOs I ever knew was a German fellow with years of of combat experience and only Korea medals, he (Sgt Ed W___, Canadian Guards) was an outstanding leader and teacher.
 
I recall the change, but can't remember exactly when it was, but I am fairly sure it was in the late 60s or early 70s. My recruit course in the RCA Depot in 1957-1958 included two ex-Brit Army from the Second World War as well as one each ex-Swiss and ex-Belgian army, the latter was a Korean war vet. And the army did have a number of soldiers of German origin who had no medals but somehow had developed almost instinctive skill sets in matters military.

It seems to me that the down-sizing argument is not germane as many of the people being "down-sized" are fairly high up the rank ladder, while the potential recruits start at the bottom as E1s. Whether it is wise or not, as it could be construed as a way to grant amnesty and citizenship outside the normal process, is another matter. It may make the President's base go all wet and gooey, but they were never likely to enlist in the first place.
 
Of course the downsizing argument is germane.Army strength is planned to be reduced from 520,000 to 440,000.The program will be capped at 1500.They still need to pass the physical/medical screening and the ASVAB.
 
cupper said:
First, you made the statement in response to the comment


I'm pretty sure those foreigners entered the country legally and respected the laws and processes necessary to do so.


I pointed out that there are cases that contradict your statement.

I am not offering an opinion one way or another on the merits of the policy. Just pointing out that you made an assumption that was incorrect.
As I said, I was pointing out that whether or not there have been cases of such a thing in the past is irrelevant to whether or not it is a good idea, and has no bearing on my central point. We're going nowhere here.

It may make the President's base go all wet and gooey
Something tells me this is not just an unintended side-effect.  ;D
 
Major update: the US DoD has suspended the MAVNI program.

Politico.com

Military immigrant program halted

A popular military enlistment program for immigrants with specialized skills is now stuck in bureaucratic limbo — after the Pentagon announced last month it would begin allowing some young immigrants without legal status into the program.

Army officials confirmed Thursday that the program, called Military Accessions Vital to the National Interest, has been suspended while the service tries to finalize screening procedures for the immigrants who want to enlist.

(...SNIPPED)
 
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