USN Patent Leather Oxford Shoes Authorized

[misratah500]

So just got home from a trip down to San Diego and I picked up a pair of those lovely patent leather oxfords they sell at the NEX uniform store.

My Div O, my Chief and several other senior ranks that said they're authorized for wear and they even sell them at the CANEX now.

I was just wondering if anyone else has heard of this, is wearing them now, or can point me to the reference.

It's like the CANEX jacket in my mind, it's not issued kit but you can still wear them.

 

[ModlrMike]

Very common to see them worn with mess kit. As a parade or day to day item they tend to be frowned upon. There's unlikely to be anything in the dress manual. You're more likely to find the information in the minutes of the National Dress Committee meetings.

 

[Tibbson]

I work within the Borg (NDHQ) and many people wear them around here.  Mostly officers who are too lazy to polish their shoes but, sadly, a few SNCOs are wearing them too.  I've never seen it in writing but in day to day practice it certainly goes on. 

 

[Pat in Halifax]

MARLANT rules say authorized with all forms of dress EXCEPT 1As.

 

[OldSolduer]

I work within the Borg (NDHQ) and many people wear them around here.  Mostly officers who are too lazy to polish their shoes but, sadly, a few SNCOs are wearing them too.  I've never seen it in writing but in day to day practice it certainly goes on.

Resistance is futile.

I would not allow them in my units.

 

[Sub_Guy]

I work within the Borg (NDHQ) and many people wear them around here.  Mostly officers who are too lazy to polish their shoes but, sadly, a few SNCOs are wearing them too.  I've never seen it in writing but in day to day practice it certainly goes on.

I really don't see the big deal, if they look good then why not?  I certainly don't need to piss away time polishing boots and shoes, I have plenty of other things to keep me busy.   

I'd consider picking up a pair.

 

[AmmoTech90]

They are in the dress regs, Chap 5 Annex E, Item 28.  For use only with non-ceremonial orders of dress.  Optional item.

Much less controversial than fleece toques.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

$89.99 at the CANEX in Halifax the last time I was there, made by SWAT IIRC.

And IMO, the patent leather looks far better than the issued ones.

 

[MJP]

I work within the Borg (NDHQ) and many people wear them around here.  Mostly officers who are too lazy to polish their shoes but, sadly, a few SNCOs are wearing them too.  I've never seen it in writing but in day to day practice it certainly goes on.

LOL I love the butthurt and assumptions of laziness.  I could turn it around and say hopefully as a SNCO you made people aware of of the dress regs pertaining to their wear but I know you are you are a lazy SNCO because you didn't know that you could wear them less 1A.  See what I did there?  :nod:




* For the thick.  I don't really think SL is lazy, it is tongue in cheek.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

LOL I love the butthurt and assumptions of laziness.  I could turn it around and say hopefully as a SNCO you made people aware of of the dress regs pertaining to their wear but I know you are you are a lazy SNCO because you didn't know that you could wear them less 1A.  See what I did there?  :nod:

And I could say, as an Officer, YOU should know that a MWO is not a SNCO, especially being that you were in the ranks before.  :nod:

No, Snr NCO and Snr NCM do not mean the same thing.  I say that because it is the common defence thrown out these days.  WOs, MWOs and CWOs are Warrant Officers, not SNCOs.

Gotta love irony. 

 

[MJP]

And I could say, as an Officer, YOU should know that a MWO is not a SNCO, especially being that you were in the ranks before.  :nod:

No, Snr NCO and Snr NCM do not mean the same thing.  I say that because it is the common defence thrown out these days.  WOs, MWOs and CWOs are Warrant Officers, not SNCOs.

Gotta love irony. 

LOL Good one and very true.  In our common vernacular we lump them all together but there is that difference.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

It's so common and accepted these days I think we should just change the NDA/QR & O to reflect it!

 

[The Bread Guy]

They are in the dress regs, Chap 5 Annex E, Item 28.  For use only with non-ceremonial orders of dress.  Optional item.

More, from another thread:

The National Defence Clothing & Dress Committee chaired by the CF CWO has approved the wearing of Bates Patent Leather for non-parade duties (it is in the minutes and has appeared in the CFSU(O) Routine/Standing Orders).  An increasing number of staff officers in Ottawa wear their Bates daily.  Unit Standing/Routine Orders may vary. I would be happy to post a DWAN link if there is any doubt!)

Much less controversial than fleece toques.

Only slightly less on some days ....  ;D

 

[jollyjacktar]

When I went through CFSIS in 89 we were encouraged to use Leather Luster on our Sam Browne's and could do our Ankle Boots (non- parade).  The reasoning was the LL would not marr your DEU with polish transfer and the boots used on duty would keep their appearance of looking smart and polished in inclement weather.  I did use the LL for the boots for a time but found that it wasn't durable enough for daily wear.  I switched to a liquid Kiwi which was wet weather friendly and also able to allow a fast tune up as required.

My parade boots were another matter.  They were double soled and glass from hours of sweat equity as was proper.  I have looked at the CANEX shoes out of curiosity and don't know if I would make the jump.  I think it is the lack of toe cap that our Oxfords have that make them look "strange" to me.  If they're durable and allow the wearer not to look like crap throughout the day.... meh!  Why, not?

 

[dimsum]

Hmm, the SWAT ones look like the issued ADF shoes.  Maybe I should pick up a pair for free  >

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Did you say free?  I'm a size 10/10.5  ;D

 

[Tibbson]

Resistance is futile.

I would not allow them in my units.

I whole heartedly agree with you however sometimes resistance is all I have left to keep me going around here.  lol

 

[dimsum]

Did you say free?  I'm a size 10/10.5  ;D

Sure - slight (well, 1 in 4 or so) chance of the soles falling off due to bad glue, esp on ANZAC Day parades  :nod:

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

Resistance is futile.

I would not allow them in my units.

I whole heartedly agree with you however sometimes resistance is all I have left to keep me going around here.  lol

I would say, it is not up to you to "allow" them at your unit if they are (and they are) authorized for wear in the dress regs.

Now, I am an old fart from back in the days when the Navy would not allow us to leave the ship to cross over from the Dockyard to the base in Halifax without first getting into our service dress. However, even in those days, the Navy (as opposed to the Army's clear abhorrence of anything but spit-shined boots looking like mirrors) only cared about the shoes being black, polished and clean - no more no less -except on special parades.

And the USN pattern patent leather shoes were authorized for wear even in those days.

This said, could someone from the Army explain to me why, other than as an excuse to get in the face of recruits as a training aid, it is so critical to the operations of the CAF that the shoes you wear everyday to the office be painstakingly spit-shinned instead of just black, clean and polished (with whatever polish product you wish to use including liquids) ???

 

[OldSolduer]

OGBD - I'm the RSM of my unit and I have a huge say in dress policy....and I would not allow them in any form of dress, less mess kit. More correctly I would advise the CO on my opinion.

Personally I think they look cheesy and cheap.