Wanted CADPAT AR helmet cover

[bobsyouruncle5]

Looking to get a CADPAT AR cover, for helmet. Would be nice to have a cammo net, as well, but no big deal.I am a collector, of Military Helmets, and have a few extras could possibly trade/barter. Lemme know, what is best for You.
Regards, bobsyouruncle5

 

[Astalos]

What size do you need, and you mind if it is used?

 

[bobsyouruncle5]

Need a size large, and no matter if used, in fact prefer used. Adds to the look.

 

[Astalos]

All I have is medium, sorry.

 

[bobsyouruncle5]

If You still have the medium Cadpat AR cover, I could use it. A mate of mine, just bought a medium helmet, and it came with no cover at all. I know, this is a stupid question, but he wanted to be sure, Cadpat AR, is for a desert, or arid region camo pattern, RIGHT?? LOL
Would be willing to pay by cash, or money order, or if interested, he has some helmets, to trade. Lemme know, if You still have cover, what asking price is, or if interested, in a trade.
regards, Bob

 

[BinRat55]

I just want to make a small point here - CADPAT (C) issued from a clothing stores anywhere in the world is the property of the Department of National Defence and as such, classified material.  No person shall attempt to profit from the sale or trade of any military kit issued to an individual, less they are subject to disciplinary actions, whether they are Reg, Res or Civ.

That being said, I know from personal experience that certain manufacturers have cornered the market on "fake" CADPAT.  This material is perfectly acceptable to use as one sees fit (with certain exceptions of course) as it is not DND issued kit.

Please remember that it IS possible to tell the difference, quite easily.

 

[Michael OLeary]

I just want to make a small point here - CADPAT (C) issued from a clothing stores anywhere in the world is the property of the Department of National Defence and as such, classified material.  No person shall attempt to profit from the sale or trade of any military kit issued to an individual, less they are subject to disciplinary actions, whether they are Reg, Res or Civ.

Interesting.  Can you post the reference which shows that a used helmet cover, as discussed above, is clearly subject to this restriction and possible ramifications.

 

[bobsyouruncle5]

What O'Leary, says, times 2. I lookin for a "HELMET COVER", not the secrets to world domination, or what the brain trust, or lack there of, what DND is thinking. As for after market P.O.S's go, forget it. Too cheap constuction, and look like lumpy camo spit-balls. i just want a cover, to put on a helmet. Not trying to subvert or compromise our Infanteers, in the field. They have it tuff enuff, as it is. Who cares, if they can get a mint Russian helmet, from Afghan War, to add to their collection, in exchange, for a "Used" or near mint camo cover??
Bob

 

[medaid]

What O'Leary, says, times 2. I lookin for a "HELMET COVER", not the secrets to world domination, or what the brain trust, or lack there of, what DND is thinking. As for after market P.O.S's go, forget it. Too cheap constuction, and look like lumpy camo spit-balls. i just want a cover, to put on a helmet. Not trying to subvert or compromise our Infanteers, in the field. They have it tuff enuff, as it is. Who cares, if they can get a mint Russian helmet, from Afghan War, to add to their collection, in exchange, for a "Used" or near mint camo cover??
Bob

It's not subversion or anything mate, it's just that it's the property of DND, and hence not the personal property of troops. All equipment is on LOAN to the soldiers. IF you break it, they'll get you a new one, not if you give it away, they'll get you a new one.

Oh... I take offence to your after market gear comment I work for a tactical gear company that is licensed to use CADPAT by DND... we do NOT make POS gear...

 

[armyvern]

Interesting.  Can you post the reference which shows that a used helmet cover, as discussed above, is clearly subject to this restriction and possible ramifications.

Cadpat operational and CTS clothing items are all prohibited from trade and sale by virtue of their falling under CTAT & ITAR regulations.

Items signed for by personnel on their clothing docs remain the express property of The Queen unless they have been designated as a "permanant kit issue item". Clothing items issued to members on the Land Force and Deployed operations D01-301 Basic Field Operational Clothing & Equipment Scale are not "permanent kit issues (ie: Retention Items)." The exception to this is items included on that scale which have a lower designation within the D01-301 as "next to skin" items.

NO item of kit in the Arid Region (AR) pattern is the personal property of an individual, and, IAW regualtions, members returning from deployed operations who are in posession of AR kit items are obligated to return these operational clothing items to their supporting supply activity within 90 days of repatriation as entitlement to them ceased to exist upon their re-entry to Canada. The return of these items should be part of the AAG process.

Further, members in posession of any of this kit who find that it is not on their charge are obligated to report their holding of these "surplus" items to effect their issue onto their clothing docs or to facilitate their return into the Supply System. Not doing so, is a chargeable offense.

I'll will provide your ref for that tomorrow.

There's already threads on this site which provide the refs and regulations which pertain to items of kit which bear the cadpat design.

 

[Sig_Des]

Interesting.  Can you post the reference which shows that a used helmet cover, as discussed above, is clearly subject to this restriction and possible ramifications.

I believe ArmyVern posted about this here:

http://forums.milnet.ca/forums/threads/16339/post-352906.html#msg352906

Reference on Controlled Technology Access Transfer  can be found here:

http://www.admfincs.forces.gc.ca/admfincs/subjects/daod/3003/1_e.asp

And IIRC, the IR treatment that we give our cadpat therefore turns it into a Controlled Technology, therefore making it illegal to sell. In addition to the fact that you are selling the Queen's property.

I know, seems ridiculous to me to, but I'm pretty sure the letter of the law prohibits it, if indeed the Cadpat material is considered a CTAT material.

 

[armyvern]

What O'Leary, says, times 2. I lookin for a "HELMET COVER", not the secrets to world domination, or what the brain trust, or lack there of, what DND is thinking. As for after market P.O.S's go, forget it. Too cheap constuction, and look like lumpy camo spit-balls. i just want a cover, to put on a helmet. Not trying to subvert or compromise our Infanteers, in the field. They have it tuff enuff, as it is. Who cares, if they can get a mint Russian helmet, from Afghan War, to add to their collection, in exchange, for a "Used" or near mint camo cover??
Bob

Because them giving it to you ... or "trading" with you something which IS the Property of The Crown -- IS THEFT.

And further, being that this item includes the cadpat design -- those members are subject to all International Trafficing In Arms Regulations (ITAR) & Controlled Technology Access & Transfer Act (CTAT) regulations that govern that kit item. They would be subject to, besides the NDA offenses, to federal charges under that Act which could result in fines, imprisonment, or both, as well as revocation of security clearances.

You tell me ?? Is it worth it to them to risk that?? That security clearance could be the difference between having a career -- or not having a career. Not to mention the ethical and moral problem associated with STEALING property from that Country (or a fellow soldier) they have sworn to protect.

 

[bobsyouruncle5]

OK guys. point takein, and duelly noted. Sorry I asked. And sorry about the after-market comment. I have seen way too many "Original" covers, and most do look like camo spitballs. Will be looking for an after-market cover, that complies with all regs, don't want anyone getting grief, over my requests. Sorry again, everyone.
Bob.

 

[bobsyouruncle5]

A special note, to Med-Tech. Again, i appologize. Upon further review, my comments were probably very un-just. Over the years, I have seen some pretty pathetic after market helmet covers, and did not mean to slight you, or the products you represent. If I could ask?? do you have a size medium, reproduction, of a helmet cover, in desert /arid region, that may fit my replica CG 634?? If it is slightly "USED", that would be even better, but no matter. A few days of sunshine, and letting the good lord pee on it, will fix that.
I also appologize, to the other posters, to this thread. I had no idea, that it was such a pain, to get an authentic piece of cloth, that had some wierd stuff dyed onto it. Darn, I never dreamn't of upsetting the balance of nature, let alone, get someone in trouble. I just wanted an AR cover, to add to collection as well as pay tribute to our sons and daughters, that are doing such a great, albeit a tuff job, over in Afghan.
I hope this will appease the higher-ups, and hope maybe, we can talk some more, Med-tech
Regards, Bob

 

[medaid]

Bob,

    No hard feelings mate PM sent by the way. It's not that we like to jump on people, you didn't know and I think those with more knowledge then I were attempting to set things straight with you, and inform you the reasons why we can't sell those things. This also serves as a warning to those who would want to get their hands on our equipment through illegitimate means.


Cheers,

MT.