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Continuing on the theme of 'the USA and the world':

Trump Administration Wants the ICC to Amend It's Mandate to say it won't prosecute Trump. The US doesn't even recognize the Court. Sure sounds like something a rational person would ask.

 
Continuing on the theme of 'the USA and the world':

Trump Administration Wants the ICC to Amend It's Mandate to say it won't prosecute Trump. The US doesn't even recognize the Court. Sure sounds like something a rational person would ask.

I highlighted that area just to emphasize it. I am not a clinician by any means but DJTs irrationality gives me cause to wonder about his state of mind. Especially his choice of Secretary of Health....who is completely unhinged.
 
Continuing on the theme of 'the USA and the world':

Trump Administration Wants the ICC to Amend It's Mandate to say it won't prosecute Trump. The US doesn't even recognize the Court. Sure sounds like something a rational person would ask.


I was under the impression, and they themselves have repeatedly said that everything they do is above board?

The image that immediately comes to mind, a dog giving away it's guilt of doing something you haven't even discovered yet.

denver GIF
 
US ambassador on the new strategy: "Let's just kind of see how this plays out ... It can be interpreted in a bunch of different ways."
After all, when has the U.S. (like many other superpowers) EVER meddled in a country when said country wasn't doing what the U.S. (or major businesses therein) wanted, right?

Also the U.S. ambassador to the Canadian Press: " "I don't remember many Canadians expressing much concern about the political engagement of a Canadian government into U.S. politics," he said, after describing Ontario's fall ad campaign as a "specifically targeted political intervention against the president."

Many think the ad can be interpreted in a bunch of different ways, too ;)
Pete Hoekstra should be sent packing back to his master in Washington. The guy is incompetent and has stirred up a sh*t-storm at each of his postings.
 
America has, time after time, decade after decade, century after century, shown that they are not in line or in tune with western values.
Rot. Which "western values"? The ones favoured by modern European aristocrats who like the peasants to remain servile in their places? The US laid down admirable "western values" in 1776 and subsequently in their constitution. Then a bunch of other people professing to admire it fucked things up badly, particularly the French (the Terror, Napoleon).
Slavery, one of the last to get rid of it, and it took 750k dead.
Ending slavery in the US began in 1780 and the cornerstone was laid in 1776 (Declaration of Independence). It's intellectually dishonest to not properly assess the chain of events.
See here, for those disinclined to accept the Sesame Street version which only measures 1865.
WW1, it took the threat of Mexico joining the central powers to galvanize the Americans.
WWI. Most of Europe over-armed itself and divided into two major blocs itching to settle old scores due to the "western values" they'd been demonstrating with miserable little squabbles since the end of the Napoleonic wars. When the trigger was pulled, they were a mix of too incompetent and too belligerent ("western value"?) to head off the disaster. Yet some would criticize the US for not jumping in earlier to save them from their colossally wasteful stupidity.
WW2, it took Pearl Harbor. Hitler running rampant in Europe...meh. Japan touching their boats, nuke and bomb everything.
WWII. Again the Europeans lined up for war, with Czechoslovakia traded to buy time (and wouldn't the moral position of Britain and France been wonderful if no war started and they had to live every day knowing they traded the Czechs away for their own cozy security). When it finally started, Britain and France opened the bidding by sitting on their hands. The French were supposed to be masters of the European battlefield, but the arrogant pricks couldn't even bring themselves to cross the frontier.

And of course there's the whole question of how "western values" allowed Hitler and Mussolini and all their soon-to-be collaborators to flourish in Europe in the first place.

Japan attacked the US because the US was already involving itself in the affairs leading up to WWII by putting pressure on the Japanese to end their quasi-genocidal war in China. Not exactly a discreditable position.
And when they took a leadership role, the west looked at them like they were nuts. Vietnam, nuts. Iraq 2003, nuts.
The positions taken were stands against tyranny. Ill-informed, incompetently executed, wasteful, but still essentially about "exporting freedom". But if the US had just ignored those problems like so many others, critics would assail that, too. Did go into Vietnam and Iraq - Bad US. Didn't go into Europe in 1914 and 1939 - Bad US.
NATO, for all intents and purposes, is dead.
NATO hasn't been attacked yet. This is the fourth or fifth time I've had to point this out when someone belches out nonsense about NATO being finished. If any of the Baltics are attacked, what will matter more than if the US gets involved is whether Poland gets involved.
 
Quoting for Altair as I believe he blocked you… he may have blocked me too however.
I got you:

For @Altair

Rot. Which "western values"? The ones favoured by modern European aristocrats who like the peasants to remain servile in their places? The US laid down admirable "western values" in 1776 and subsequently in their constitution. Then a bunch of other people professing to admire it fucked things up badly, particularly the French (the Terror, Napoleon).

Ending slavery in the US began in 1780 and the cornerstone was laid in 1776 (Declaration of Independence). It's intellectually dishonest to not properly assess the chain of events.
See here, for those disinclined to accept the Sesame Street version which only measures 1865.

WWI. Most of Europe over-armed itself and divided into two major blocs itching to settle old scores due to the "western values" they'd been demonstrating with miserable little squabbles since the end of the Napoleonic wars. When the trigger was pulled, they were a mix of too incompetent and too belligerent ("western value"?) to head off the disaster. Yet some would criticize the US for not jumping in earlier to save them from their colossally wasteful stupidity.

WWII. Again the Europeans lined up for war, with Czechoslovakia traded to buy time (and wouldn't the moral position of Britain and France been wonderful if no war started and they had to live every day knowing they traded the Czechs away for their own cozy security). When it finally started, Britain and France opened the bidding by sitting on their hands. The French were supposed to be masters of the European battlefield, but the arrogant pricks couldn't even bring themselves to cross the frontier.

And of course there's the whole question of how "western values" allowed Hitler and Mussolini and all their soon-to-be collaborators to flourish in Europe in the first place.

Japan attacked the US because the US was already involving itself in the affairs leading up to WWII by putting pressure on the Japanese to end their quasi-genocidal war in China. Not exactly a discreditable position.

The positions taken were stands against tyranny. Ill-informed, incompetently executed, wasteful, but still essentially about "exporting freedom". But if the US had just ignored those problems like so many others, critics would assail that, too. Did go into Vietnam and Iraq - Bad US. Didn't go into Europe in 1914 and 1939 - Bad US.

NATO hasn't been attacked yet. This is the fourth or fifth time I've had to point this out when someone belches out nonsense about NATO being finished. If any of the Baltics are attacked, what will matter more than if the US gets involved is whether Poland gets involved.
 
US ambassador on the new strategy: "Let's just kind of see how this plays out ... It can be interpreted in a bunch of different ways."
After all, when has the U.S. (like many other superpowers) EVER meddled in a country when said country wasn't doing what the U.S. (or major businesses therein) wanted, right?

Also the U.S. ambassador to the Canadian Press: " "I don't remember many Canadians expressing much concern about the political engagement of a Canadian government into U.S. politics," he said, after describing Ontario's fall ad campaign as a "specifically targeted political intervention against the president."

Many think the ad can be interpreted in a bunch of different ways, too ;)


 
The Trump administration, with this policy and others enacted since January, are doing that job already.
I'm thinking of the people who insist Russia be blockaded/embargoed/sanctioned because it covets others' lands, occupies others' lands, has a terrible human rights record, and seeks to destabilize other countries and pilfer their knowledge, but do not insist China be held to the same standard (covets Taiwan and who knows what else, continues occupying Tibet, has a terrible human rights record, and seeks to destabilize other countries and pilfer their knowledge).

The moralists should adopt one standard for both. The realists should be as prepared to accept the situation on the ground in Ukraine as they are in Asia.
 
No, sorry. Nowhere near the last to get rid of slavery. Slavery, in one form or another, is still prevelent in at least 11 countries.
That's beside the point. Ending slavery - a positive achievement - cost 750K lives.

World War I, which while not entirely pointless did not have anything like the same kind of moral purpose, resulted in many more deaths.

"Western Values".

I despise the sinophiles and europhiles who will excuse/ignore almost any kind of shit in their efforts to gin up anti-Trump sentiment. It should be enough to focus on Trump's manifestly egregious character flaws and absurd lack of policy perspicacity without dragging the US in general.
 
That's beside the point. Ending slavery - a positive achievement - cost 750K lives.

World War I, which while not entirely pointless did not have anything like the same kind of moral purpose, resulted in many more deaths.

"Western Values".

I despise the sinophiles and europhiles who will excuse/ignore almost any kind of shit in their efforts to gin up anti-Trump sentiment. It should be enough to focus on Trump's manifestly egregious character flaws and absurd lack of policy perspicacity without dragging the US in general.
Sadly just over 50% of those in the US who bothered to vote chose not to focus enough on those ‘manifestly egregious character flaws and absurd lack of policy perspicacity’ and here we are dragging in the US in general.
 
Sadly just over 50% of those in the US who bothered to vote chose not to focus enough on those ‘manifestly egregious character flaws and absurd lack of policy perspicacity’ and here we are dragging in the US in general.
Wait, are you suggesting populations bear some responsibility for who they elect?
 
Sadly just over 50% of those in the US who bothered to vote chose not to focus enough on those ‘manifestly egregious character flaws and absurd lack of policy perspicacity’ and here we are dragging in the US in general.

To a point I can sympathize with the American sentiment to turn their back on the world. Just read Altair's blathering. The world will chastise and shame the USA for a score of things and then demand of them access to their economy and defence/security assistance out the other side of their mouths.

I don't think the USA needed to blow up existing relationships, I think there must be a better more diplomatic way to make their point.
 
Classified version of the US NSS says 5 countries should run the world. US, China, Russia, India and Japan.


They've basically defaulted to some version of the Russian and Chinese worldview. Excluding two nuclear powers is wild. Like I said, they've lost their marbles.
 
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