webbing to tactical vest?

[MG34]

The new ruck is comfortable until you strap something onto it like an SF kit.Internal frame rucks are fine for civies but the military needs an external frame to strap kit to,otherwise the ruck just flops around on your back. Of course the wait has been so long that everyone just wants to ditch that 82 pattern POS that they issued us.A redesigned 64 pattern style or ALICE system with an improved harness is what we need not some granola heads wet dream.

 

[Scott]

I agree MG34, it does look like the cross Europe hikers dream and also agree that everyone will be happy just to have something new. What was the name for the old aluminum frame ruck with the valise on top? I was never issued one but they looked far better put together than the one I wore. Someone here must have one or at least experience with one. MG34, not trying to start a flame war, but you have been around long enough, any comments?

Thanks

Cheers

 

[MJP]

The old ruck? it is a 64 pattern ruck you are thinking of.  As for people with experience with it, I can probably say a good quarter to half of most combat arms pers carry that ruck instead of that POS 82 pattern one.  I think I would be hard pressed to find more than five or six guys in my platoon that use it.  In fact the new ruck can't be jumped with so all jump Coy pers are issued or buy a old ruck.

 

[Scott]

MJP, I have heard it said before that the old ruck, the 64, was a jump ruck, or better for jumping. Not many guys in the Reserves, without a class C callout or Reg Force experience, had one. Do you know if the newest ruck can be jumped with easily?

I always liked the ease that those fellows seemed to have with the old ruck, the weight distribution looked a whole lot better and I am willing to bet that the frame of the older one weighs a bit less, adds up when you measure weight in ruck sores and blisters!

Thanks for the info

Cheers

 

[brihard]

33 Brigade is scheduled for the TacVest in september as well.

What's happened is thatwith the deployment to the 'Ghan being cut down to under a thousand, suddenly a couple thousand extra tac-vests will be shot back into the system, as not everyone in Afghanistan will encessarily be entitled to keep them. With that many coming in, there will be enough to start outfitting reserve infantry units. Not everyone at once, of course, but they can give it a good jump-start.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if most of us still end up waiting months to get ours, but at the same time, we'll be seeing people starting to get them who haven't been overseas, and of course as soon as half of a unit is in TacVests with the other half in 82, the RQMs should start screaming for the balance...

Now, I'd heard a RUMOR that some reserves might be getting their TacVests at the start of Ex Stalwart Guardian. Has anyone heard the same thing? On one level, it would be a logistical nightmare, but on the other hand, it would be nice if they could get some out in time for at least some people to start intensive training with the never equipment... Anyone know of this at all?

 

[patt]

New Rucksack

Parts of the design
http://www.army.forces.gc.ca/Chief_Land_Staff/Clothe_the_soldier/hab/2/2732_e.asp

when does the new ruck being issued?

 

[MJP]

Do you know if the newest ruck can be jumped with easily?

Not a clue if its jumpable, the documents don't state it either way.  

What's happened is thatwith the deployment to the 'Ghan being cut down to under a thousand, suddenly a couple thousand extra tac-vests will be shot back into the system

I don't think so most guys in Afghanistan are Reg Force and probably had their TVs before they deployed from their home unit.  I kept mine last year(as did everyone I deployed with) when I returned from Apollo because it was a unit issue, not theater.   I don't think that they are Op Stock items like the old jean jacket TV was.  

 

[MJP]

Patty did you follow the link and look at the site?   It tells you there when they will be issued and where.

 

[tacsit]

I'm getting a new custom ruck. It consists of a Drop Zone Tactical modular 64 pattern sack on a Mystery Ranch NICE frame (an internal frame designed for the USGI ALICE pack). Attached to the sack will be 3 Tactical Tailor large utility pouches in CADPAT. Above the sack will be the velise, lashed to the frame with the top lid of the Mystery Ranch DBSB rucksack that Mystery Ranch designed for the SEAL teams. My RAID pack will be sandwiched between the frame and the velise, thus keeping it secure yet easily accessible. Lashed to the frame underneath the RAID pack will be a 10 liter MSR dromedary hydration bladder and an Ontario Knife Company RTAK in a custom kydex sheath. I've chosen this design to fulfill the requirements of modularity, comfort, durability, and military packing friendliness (by which I mean, the ability to lash things to the frame and to use the modular 64 pattern sack as a cargo shelf upon which I can rest mortar parts, SF kit, jerry can, etc.) I should get it within the next few weeks. Once I have it I'll do some T&E and post pictures of it along with my evaluation. Should be a nice alternative to the new CTS rucksack, and the rig is definitely jumpable (NICE frames have been jumped by Marines T&Eing it to ensure durability for jumps) and it will overall be the same size as a normal 64 pattern ruck, meaning PELS should work (though since I'm not jump qualled I'll have to talk to a jumper about that).

 

[crazycanukca]

Wait out.  Some regular force, operational units don't even have it yet.

 

[kyleg]

I'm kind of confused. I'm on my Infanteer course in the reserves at Valcartier and I was issued my tac vest right before my sq. Why would 34th brgiade recruits be getting vests when reg force operational pers. don't have enough? I'd be willing to train with the old webbing if it meant a soldier taht was risking his life every day would be better equipped. That said, I still enjoy the TV much more than the webbing 

Cheers,
Pte. Gremlin

 

[MG34]

Why would the reserves get the vest before the regs?? Politics,political correctness,money, take your pick either way it is wrong.

 

[KevinB]

You said it MG34...

 

[pipstah]

Maybe its political maybe its not. The QM guys saw that they had too much tactical vests for the regs force who was going to Afghan. Instead of letting the surplus of tactical vests and getting dust, they decided to issue them. They took an initiative and you start to put the politic in that... c'mon guys! At the end, everyone will get his tactical vest and we will start to bitch about it like we were with the old webbing. It was the same thing with the cadpat combat...everybody wanted to get his hand on it...and after one year...everyone has it.

 

[Jarnhamar]

I'm all for defending the reserves but why should   a full time soldier go without one so a part time soldier can keep a tacvest in his closest, maybe bring it out once a month.
maybe to play some airsoft.

it should be issued to reg force combat arms, then reserve combat arms then all over trades.

 

[PnkrWeb]

well at my unity we all have the new tac vest now    mouhaha its much better than the old webbing but i still don't even have my new cadpat but ill ahve it soon i just done my QL3 so ill gop at QM to sign all my new stock i can

 

[Fishbone Jones]

welll at my unity we all have the new tac vest now mouhaha its much better than the old webbing but i stll dont even have my new cadpat but ill ahve it soon i just done my QL3 so ill gop at QM to sign all my new stock i can

What the hell was that??!!! You guys really, really need to use the Spell Check function. IT'S LOCATED TWO BUTTONS OVER FROM THE BUTTON YOU USE TO POST. LIKE THIS:

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[Armymedic]

Does it really matter if you don't have it yet?

If you don't, you will eventually and if you NEED it sooner, I am sure they will get it to you.

 

[Marine837M]

Lads...

If you want a good tac vest go to.....    www.Arktis.co.uk 

There kit is Fantastic and can be made to your spec if you need,they ship all over the world and the kit is gucci.

Dont wait for it to be issued you will wait forever...

Marine837M

 

[KevinB]

Personally I think the TV sucks ass.

I am using a CADPAT AR arktis type rig - and really like it.