Whistleblower protection for RCMP but not for CF.

[McG]

As for those perfect, righteous, politically correct and Puritans who would never think of taking the odd role of Scotch tape home from the office,drive over 20km in a School Zone,drive 75k in a 55k,take a 30min break
instead of 15,forget to give back over change of $10.00 to a cashier,dump they car ashtrays in the parking
lot,spit or discard wrappers on a public sidewalk,creative reporting on tax returns,padding expense & taxi
receipts.Has his buddy watch out while he grabs 30winks on guard duty at 0200, So don,t you think a person who does even a quarter of these things should be reported and punished.

Your a fool & fearmonger if you want us to buy into this line of thinking.

Please, take of the blinders or pull your head out of its orifice.  All us "righteous, politically correct Puritans" don't give a damn about the roll of tape.  We want to know that Pte Bloggins does not have to worry about his career for reporting Maj Superstar showing up to shoot while still hammered.  We want to know that Cpl Smith won't suffer when he passes higher that LCOl thunderflash used military pers and equipment for landscaping of a golf course in exchange for a season pass.  We want to know that Joe Civi in NDHQ can safely go public about political intervention that leads us to buy (potentially inadequate) second rate equipment at twice the price.

 

[Scoobie Newbie]

Ding Ding.

Bad LT out to you.

 

[PPCLI MCpl]

As for the circumstances you list, the possibility of
them occurring are so remote and so removed from the nature of Military Training its hard to even imagine.

Unfortunately, both those occurrences have happened, and on more than one occasion.

 

[KevinB]

Unfortunately, both those occurrences have happened, and on more than one occasion.

YUP -- unfortunate - but true.

So FastEddy  question for you.

A troop is smuggling cocaine into threatre - what would you do?

 

[Scoobie Newbie]

Kev thats not a fair question.  What if that troop was a fellow MP?

 

[Brad Sallows]

>A snitch is still a snitch.

What a fine ethical foundation.   My failure to be voluntarily complicit in someone else's wrongdoing makes me an *******.   Does that about sum it up?

>Well my ethical friend, just answer my question on the Partner issue, then I'll take up the Political
Correctness issue.

Two observations:
1) A "partner" always behaves ethically so the other partner never has to decide whether to lodge a complaint.
2) A "partner" intervenes firmly with sound counsel when it appears the other partner is about to have a weak moment.

Anyone who can't meet those obligations isn't a partner; he's an accomplice.

Rule (2) is also for subordinates, particularly staff, with respect to superiors.

 

[48Highlander]

Just to pitch in my 2 cents, if you're such a poor judge of character that you can't tell what sort of behaviour your "partner" will find unacceptable, you probably shouldn't be an MP in the first place.   I'm sure most of the rest of us don't normally have a problem figuring out where to draw the line.  It's just like knowing not to crack certain jokes in front of certain people.

As has been pointed out, this idea isn't meant to punish you for stealing pens from the office, it's intended to protect those members who are put in the akward position of having to correct the failings of their superiors.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Well, this has just turned into a shit slinging match. If it can't be swung back to the original intent, it'll be locked.

 

[FastEddy]

Well, this has just turned into a crap slinging match. If it can't be swung back to the original intent, it'll be locked.

Yes Recceguy, this thread has degenerated beyond recognition. Please do put us ALL out of our misery
before it becomes real nasty.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

No, I think this is still a good subject, but lets let the horse rest in piece, Fast Eddy made his point, and the disagreements have been made, so lets get back on topic because I think this topic has a real point to be made.
[ and when I sober up in the morning I will let you know what it is]

 

[FastEddy]

No, I think this is still a good subject, but lets let the horse rest in piece, Fast Eddy made his point, and the disagreements have been made, so lets get back on topic because I think this topic has a real point to be made.
[ and when I sober up in the morning I will let you know what it is]

That would be a refreshing change.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

What would be, me sober or me making a good point............?

 

[TCBF]

We need whistleblower protection not for the people who will do the right thing no matter what, but for the very human beings who WANT to do the right thing, but don't know how they will send Becky to the U of T once they are railroaded out of the DND public service or the CF.

And we need it now.

Tom

 

[KevinB]

We already have a requirment in the QR&O's to be whistleblowers.

Protection is needed for those who do the right thing.

Stigma from Peers sucks but can be worked through - and in serious cases a sober second thought will likely have the peers seeing your point.  Protection from a clique above is necessary since when you whistleblow on someone who can influence your PER/PDR and his circle gathers close to protect him it can crucify low ranks. -- anyone remember the Dragoons in Pet who brought the BGen Douglas helicopter hunting to light in the late 80's while they did the right thing they got royally screwed by the chain.

I posted somewhere else about gray turning to black.  The CF is a hard place to whistleblow especially the combat arms since the cameraderie and the necessity of being able to trust your buddy with your life makes for powerful alliegences. 

However Friendship above all Except Honour...  by becoming party to anothers actions you end up disgracing yourself, your unit, and the CF as a whole. 

 

[FastEddy]

What would be, me sober or me making a good point............?

We'll settle for a good point.