Why the sarcasm Re: JTF2?

[bossi]

... Really, I hope we don't have to endure any threads from those who want to win thier second VC this week in the newly announced "Special Operations Group".

Well done!  You've honed in on "the secret handshake"
(i.e. the real difference between Special Operations and Special Forces ...)

And, I couldn't agree more with your earlier post - it's dubious whether there's any deterrent value in absolute secrecy ...
Similar to Coca-Cola and Kleenex, people recognise SAS, Green Berets, SEALs, etc. (and there are documented examples of certain organisations backing down when they heard some "brand name" troops were being deployed to their neighbourhood ...).

I'd also like to add my $0.02 - there's no derision towards the Real Meal Deal - however, there are some fringe players who are the personification of Colonel Flagg from M*A*S*H ... and I'd wager a bet their only value-added contribution is to provide fog for the Farm.

The sniff test remains Stirling's four tenets - only the RMD posess all four - anything less is ... pale.

 

[canadianblue]

My parents have a friend that used to be in the German Army, and later joined the British and got into the SAS. I found that he never once bragged about being in the SAS, and was more helpful to me in getting me into the military and gave loads of advice. One piece of advice he gave me was to consider the British Army, but not one of those bragging types for sure.

I found that when I was an EPS Cadet, yeah I know its just Cadets their were those kids that bragged about going with the EPS Tactical Team once they became Cops but were always the ones to complain about doing 20 pushups or running a few blocks.

 

[Armymedic]

I have not sarcasm for those who are JTF, only those who brag loudly that the want to be...

The JTF soldiers I know are all extremely professional, fit, highly compitant soldiers who are the best the CF have.

If you like glory, like to be recognized for your personal achievements, like to be in the spot light....

Then JTF isn't for you.

They take pride in being the quiet professionals, getting the job done, and letting others think we Canadians are a peacefu,l docile nation.

 

[Roy Harding]

I have not sarcasm for those who are JTF, only those who brag loudly that the want to be...

The JTF soldiers I know are all extremely professional, fit, highly compitant soldiers who are the best the CF have.

If you like glory, like to be recognized for your personal achievements, like to be in the spot light....

Then JTF isn't for you.

They take pride in being the quiet professionals, getting the job done, and letting others think we Canadians are a peacefu,l docile nation.

What he said  - doubled.

 

[Jarnhamar]

On a side note, i find it pretty ironic. The JTF go so far out of their way to look incogneto that they stand out even more.

They get a good laugh when you see them dressed in the old olive green uniforms with T-shirts and running shoes and you say "Holy shit, and i thought my reserve regiment was poor".  :blotto:

 

[Britney Spears]

you say "Holy crap, and i thought my reserve regiment was poor".

Either that, or "But our new kit is supposed to be BETTER than the old stuff.....Right? Right?".

 

[Sf2]

the only people who think they stick out are the crew cut reg force guys.  You think average joe sees a guy in running shoes and sideburns and thinks "gee, he must be JTF2"??

probably not

 

[Sh0rtbUs]

I have not sarcasm for those who are JTF, only those who brag loudly that the want to be...

The JTF soldiers I know are all extremely professional, fit, highly compitant soldiers who are the best the CF have.

If you like glory, like to be recognized for your personal achievements, like to be in the spot light....

Then JTF isn't for you.

They take pride in being the quiet professionals, getting the job done, and letting others think we Canadians are a peacefu,l docile nation.

Emphasis on the "quiet professionals". They're truely a breed of their own, or at least the one I've met. Quiet, reserved and would prefer not discuss anything military related, instead...  its cars, sports and the weather! No glory, bragging or even the need for a little recognition.  They're happy just knowing what they do themselves...

That's a lot more than i can say for A LOT of "Average Joe" troops i know...

 

[KevinB]

the only people who think they stick out are the crew cut reg force guys.   You think average joe sees a guy in running shoes and sideburns and thinks "gee, he must be JTF2"??

probably not

Your right the guy in the $60 haircut - beard and $40 worth of haircare products with the 5.11 tan pants Sig P226 and C8CQB - must be a fireman  : thats what the blue light on the Landcruiser is for right?

 

[Sf2]

I'm talking about domestic....not OOA (out of area)

Walking around Petawawa, the only people who notice the Rocky Mountain Boy Band guys are the military folks.....civies don't notice, except the wifes who's husbands talk too much

 

[KevinB]

Roger that

 

[392]

Walking around Petawawa, the only people who notice the Rocky Mountain Boy Band guys are the military folks.....

Speaking of noticing them - I had a good laugh last week when one of the "non descript" crew cabs with the $60 haircut and porkchop sideburns went flying by me with the driver playing air guitar to Bryan Adams' "Summer of '69" ;D

At least when I air guitar to a good song, I make sure no one can see  ;D

 

[Sf2]

so here's a question - what made this crew cab so non-descript?  Because someone else previously pointed it out to you maybe?  Would you have known this vehicle if no one had ever pointed it out to you?

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

Short Final,
Here"s a story, two years ago when I got moved to Brockville with two other guards we went to check in at one of the hotels here. In the parking lot there were about 5 "non- descript" suburban- type vehichles with winches on the front.
My buddy, who has no military experience and no interest either said " Look the JTF are here",....well guess what?
Diving course in the Seaway.......

 

[Slim]

Is that the same time you saw "them" playing hacky-sak in the hotel lobby ;D

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

Thats it, I think I entertained you with THAT story, didn"t I?

 

[Sf2]

Interesting Bruce....

I just find it weird how someone with absolutely no military experience or interest would see a winch equipped Sub and name it JTF without some sort of prior indication.  Could have been RCMP, other Gov't, ANYONE.....just find it hard to believe he would immediately point the finger to JTF.

THeir vehicles aren't posted on the internet, seen in papers etc.....

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

What can I say, he did.
Also, remember, I did not say "a" winch equipped sub, I said about 5, all different shades of "dark".
Running into an old, "acquaintance"[at best] in the elevator confirmed this.

 

[Slim]

Interesting Bruce....

I just find it weird how someone with absolutely no military experience or interest would see a winch equipped Sub and name it JTF without some sort of prior indication.   Could have been RCMP, other Gov't, ANYONE.....just find it hard to believe he would immediately point the finger to JTF.

THeir vehicles aren't posted on the internet, seen in papers etc.....

SF

If you'll pardon my piping up... :-\

maybe they aren't marked...But you must admit that its certainly more FUN to speculate that you're seeing the black-clothed secret Squirrel Society, rather than the local construction company who just took delivery of their new tow and heavy lift trucks.

It boils down to a childs imagination and happening to be right...Maybe. ???

Cheers

Slim

 

[the 48th regulator]

Emphasis on the "quiet professionals". They're truely a breed of their own, or at least the one I've met. Quiet, reserved and would prefer not discuss anything military related, instead...   its cars, sports and the weather! No glory, bragging or even the need for a little recognition.   They're happy just knowing what they do themselves...

neat,

where did you get to meet them?

dileas

tess