Wings

[wildman0101]

Hurricane,
If I remember correctly and I could be wrong, any who served with CAR
and were jump qualified or qualified Para(RED)(White) wore the wing's
both depending on country of origine/dress reg's,ect. Some wore both
and were allowed to do so,Re: wearing 2 PARA wing's. As for our CAR
soldier's (PARA-RED)(PARA-WHITE) who have served other countrie's
and qualified (PARA)(Other Countries) I dont know.i would hazard a
guess and say they can wear both. Then again the only thing I jump-
ed outa was a tank,,, usually for grit's...
Cheer's,
Scoty B

 

[bick]

"Red" wings were worn by pers in the SSF who were parachute qualified and had not had the opportunity to serve in a para position.  For example, soldiers in 1 RCR.

Before the Cdn Army issued the metal pin on Patrol Pathfinder badge, many in the Regiment wore the US Army badge on the CF/DEU. 

 

[kevinm]

All,

I post my question here, as I'm short on time.

I have a young fellow being rtu'd tomorrow from Trenton. He froze on the tower during his PO check. Training review board tomorrow 0730. I am not hopeful that the decision will be reversed.

He's 17. No troubles off the tower in Edmonton; no troubles during pre-para.

Has anyone had experience in turning this negative experience into a positive? What do I tell this guy?

All replys appreciated.

Thanks,

KM

 

[57Chevy]

All,

I post my question here, as I'm short on time.

I have a young fellow being rtu'd tomorrow from Trenton. He froze on the tower during his PO check. Training review board tomorrow 0730. I am not hopeful that the decision will be reversed.

He's 17. No troubles off the tower in Edmonton; no troubles during pre-para.

Has anyone had experience in turning this negative experience into a positive? What do I tell this guy?

All replys appreciated.

Thanks,

KM

Just wondering what became of that young fellow ?

 

[Journeyman]

What were the Dual Qualification Jump Wings awarded for?

Any hazardous skill badge with a crown takes precedence over the para wings (or pathfinder badge). So the badge with the crown, whether combat diver or flight attendant, goes above the ribbons/medals and the miniature jump wing goes on the pocket.

 

[Jungle]

Any hazardous skill badge with a crown takes precedence over the para wings (or pathfinder badge). So the badge with the crown, whether combat diver or flight attendant, goes above the ribbons/medals and the miniature jump wing goes on the pocket.

I'm curious to find out who decided to make the Flight Attendant Wings take precedence over the Para Wings, and the thought process that brought that decision...

 

[Journeyman]

It's simply that the aircrew wing has a crown and our para wing does not. I'm not saying it's right 

I discovered this after briefing the tribal elders in Ottawa, when the generals and admirals started debating the precedence/seniority of service/etc regarding the badges on my tunic; I was wearing three Canadian badges (with and without crown -- none was the stewardess wing  ).

The Deputy Minister just rolled his eyes.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

I'm curious to find out who decided to make the Flight Attendant Wings take precedence over the Para Wings, and the thought process that brought that decision...

Because a flight attendant is useful?? >

[your not coming to the Army run this year are you my friend?] :duel:

 

[Blackadder1916]

. . . . .  the generals and admirals started debating the precedence/seniority of service/etc regarding the badges on my tunic . . . . .

The Deputy Minister just rolled his eyes.

A good illustration that "buttons and bows" does occupy the attention of senior military leadership when they should be doing something else.

 

[Jungle]

[your not coming to the Army run this year are you my friend?] :duel:

No, both the 5k and 1/2 marathon are sold out, but my wife and I would like to do the 1/2 marathon next year.

 

[Jungle]

I was wearing three Canadian badges (with and without crown -- none was the stewardess wing  ).

Is that one of the 3 trades in the CF you haven't tried ? Or is it because they do not accept Officers in that job ??

 

[Journeyman]

I didn't have the butt for it  :'(

...bitch 

 

[cupper]

I didn't have the butt for it  :'(

...bitch 

It takes a real man to admit that. ;D

 

[SomeJumper]

Do you lose your basic para qualification if you get out of the military and then re-enlist?
My Orderly Room tells me that I can not get my Basic Para qualification on my MPRR, even though I have served in a para company after re-enlisting, and getting paid as a paratrooper, all while I did not have a basic para qualification on my MPRR (which I did not know at the time). I am now in a different trade. I still have my wings on my uniform and nobody has ordered me to take them off. I have my original course report and pay statements which show me getting paid as a paratrooper.
ullhair:

 

[aesop081]

Excerpt of CFAO 55-10

PARACHUTE BADGE

19. A CF parachute badge may be awarded to a member of the Regular or Reserve Force after successful completion of formal CF training or a CF qualifying course for parachutists.

20. Members who have received military training or courses from other countries for which the requirements are deemed to be equivalent may be authorized to wear the CF parachute badge subject to approval by NDHQ/DLO (Director Land Operations).

21. A student parachutist is eligible for the award of the parachute badge upon successful completion of the CF parachutist course.

22. A qualified parachutist will normally forfeit the parachute badge when:

after qualification on a CF-approved parachutist course, the member refuses to serve as a parachutist;

the member requests to discontinue parachuting before completion two years of satisfactory parachute duty;

after volunteering for service in the Canadian Airborne Regiment, the member refuses to serve there as a parachutist after qualification on a CF-approved parachutist course; or

The qualification should have been carried over, through PLAR, when you re-enlisted and thus be on your MPRR.
the member refuses to make a parachute descent at any time while serving in a position in an airborne unit for which the member is entitled to draw paratroop allowance.

 

[SomeJumper]

What are the proper steps for me to take then if my unit OR will not fix this?

 

[aesop081]

What are the proper steps for me to take then if my unit OR will not fix this?

Same as most other things : Engage your chain of command either verbaly or through memorandum.

 

[PuckChaser]

What are the proper steps for me to take then if my unit OR will not fix this?

Include a photocopy of your course report in your memo requesting Basic Para being added to your MPRR.

 

[Journeyman]

....I have served in a para company after re-enlisting, and getting paid as a paratrooper, all while I did not have a basic para qualification on my MPRR...

OK, just to confirm your question isn't written as a 'barrack room lawyer'....you did successfully complete a basic para course, right?


I ask, only because I know of troops in Jump Coys who were not para qualified, and even if the OR staff mistakenly paid them as jumpers, that's not doesn't give them the qualification.

 

[SomeJumper]

Yes I completed my Basic Para course ...............