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All Things First Nations - CF help, protests, solutions, residential schools, etc. (merged)

My meetings were all over the map. Some were friendly, funny, polite, while others were downright hostile with insults being hurled and other things. Plus in large multigroup meetings you would often see the men generally talking over the women and old feuds between bands would surface. Sometimes how they act is all part of the negotiating game.
 
I took two native studies courses at University. One was absolute garbage. The professor was pushing communism in a native studies course. The other was absolutely fascinating. Pre colonial warfare, trade and diplomacy. We covered neolithic tribes all the way to societies on the cusp of imperialism. Was an eye opener and non of it was sanitized.
 
I’m not sure that is something common outside of Hollywood or left wing non native types.

I have heard it for years out here from all sorts, pretty much all whites of both sexes and every class. I did a lot of FN consultation and I can count on one hand and have spare fingers for the times I have heard a FN person say it. Most of the FN people are oblivious of how bad treatment could be on non-native in a similar time, which I get, they were wrapped up in their own trauma. I am fairly forgiving of my ancestors up until the beginning of the 20th century. After that time period, things improved rapidly for poor/discriminated non-FN people, but the FN's were totally screwed by the Indian Act, Indian Agents and bureaucrats, along with the PC class of the time supporting bad decisions. I swear most people information they have on FN's is from Disney, which is also where they seem to have gotten most of their information on the environment from as well. Mind you the FN, don't work to hard to educate these people, as it's not in their economic interest to do so.

DB - Lets not forget the walls made from skulls! When the Conquistadors arrived, many of the subjugated tribes quickly aligned with them to overthrow the Azetec leadership and for good reason.
Dances with Wolves. Blame Kevin Costner.
 
There was a pitched battle along the route of what is now Highway 16 in BC, the local natives fortified it as it was a pinch point between high terrain and the river. I think I got the coordinate right 52° 8'36.79"N 123°56'9.20"W
 
There was a pitched battle along the route of what is now Highway 16 in BC, the local natives fortified it as it was a pinch point between high terrain and the river. I think I got the coordinate right 52° 8'36.79"N 123°56'9.20"W
Everybody assumes that pre colonial natives fought with light raiding forces but pitched battles, fortifications armour and shields were used, there are accounts even of Haida armour stopping bullets. Some amazing history.
 
I’m not sure that is something common outside of Hollywood or left wing non native types.



DB - Lets not forget the walls made from skulls! When the Conquistadors arrived, many of the subjugated tribes quickly aligned with them to overthrow the Azetec leadership and for good reason.
But did they make drinking cups from the skulls of their enemies? 😈
 
I've seen this sacrificial stone in the museum in Mexico City. It was in use for hundreds of years and likely has a bigger body count than the 8th Air Force:

Human sacrifice in Aztec culture​


I bought a replica Mayan obsidian sacrificial knife at Chichen Itza in early 2009.

If I ever wanted to have my heart slashed out - and I do not - I certainly wouldn't opt for that, were any choice of implement given.

It's thick.
 
I bought a replica Mayan obsidian sacrificial knife at Chichen Itza in early 2009.

If I ever wanted to have my heart slashed out - and I do not - I certainly wouldn't opt for that, were any choice of implement given.

It's thick.
From my reading and visit down there, I get the impression that the more the victim suffered the better in their eyes.
 
I cannot recall the author's name, but there was a most excellent historical novel entitled, simply, "Aztec" that I read many years ago. I highly recommend it.
 
I cannot recall the author's name, but there was a most excellent historical novel entitled, simply, "Aztec" that I read many years ago. I highly recommend it.
Gary Jennings. He also wrote The Journeyer which I quite enjoyed - a fictionalized account of Marco Polo's travels, and Thorn, which I found a little more disturbing.
 
Here we go...

2 Catholic churches destroyed in overnight fires in Okanagan​

Sacred Heart Church, St. Gregory's Church were both on fire around the same time early Monday​


Two Catholic churches have been destroyed after separate overnight fires in the South Okanagan area of B.C.

The Sacred Heart Church on Penticton Indian Band lands was burned early Monday morning, the parish confirmed with CBC on Monday.

The St. Gregory's Church, in the Oliver area on Osoyoos Indian Band lands, was also in flames around the same time.

Catholic Father Obi Ibekwe said the parish would be waiting for results of an RCMP investigation before making further comment.

Penticton and Oliver are roughly 40 kilometres apart.

 
Here we go...

2 Catholic churches destroyed in overnight fires in Okanagan​

Sacred Heart Church, St. Gregory's Church were both on fire around the same time early Monday​


Two Catholic churches have been destroyed after separate overnight fires in the South Okanagan area of B.C.

The Sacred Heart Church on Penticton Indian Band lands was burned early Monday morning, the parish confirmed with CBC on Monday.

The St. Gregory's Church, in the Oliver area on Osoyoos Indian Band lands, was also in flames around the same time.

Catholic Father Obi Ibekwe said the parish would be waiting for results of an RCMP investigation before making further comment.

Penticton and Oliver are roughly 40 kilometres apart.

Nothing good will come of this.
 
Other than the crime of arson, purging of religion is a good thing.

Doubt it. Once the religion is emptied out of a person's mind, a void remains which most find hard to fill; there is no longer any higher authority to appeal to in order to settle the matter of what ought to be nor any hope to cling to in adversity except what one creates for oneself. A few can manage this; most break.
 
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