The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

[Haggis]

Came by email and letter. I should do an ATIP to see how much this is going to cost them in PY's.

I recall there being about 900,000 licensees with Restricted privileges and likely most have ATT conditions attached to their licenses.

 

[Eaglelord17]

Liberals have anounced they are going to be even harder on firearms owners with the following being in their platform. Ending Gun Violence | Liberal Party of Canada

'Our communities should be safe and peaceful places to live and raise children, but American-style gun violence is rising. 2019 saw the rate of firearm-related offences rise for the fifth straight year, and the homicide rate was the highest in a decade, with 40% of homicides involving firearms. That is why, in May 2020, we took action to put a ban on the use, sale, or import of assault weapons most used in mass shootings and implement a buyback program for owners.

At the same time, we are investing in prevention efforts and are providing $250 million directly to municipalities and Indigenous communities to give at-risk youth the opportunity to be engaged in activities to stop the spread of gang activity.

Conservatives vowed to repeal this ban with the support of the gun lobby, which would resume the proliferation of assault-style firearms in Canada. Liberals believe even stronger action is needed to get weapons designed for mass casualties off our streets and out of our communities.

A re-elected Liberal government will:

• Toughen our laws on banned assault weapons by making it mandatory for owners to either sell the firearm back to the government for destruction and fair compensation or have it rendered fully and permanently inoperable at government expense.
• Crack down on high-capacity magazines and require that long gun magazines capable of holding more than 5 rounds be permanently altered so that they can never hold more than 5 rounds
• Ban the sale or transfer of magazines that could hold more than a legal number of bullets, regardless of how they were intended to be used by the manufacturer.
• Set aside a minimum of $1 billion to support provinces or territories who implement a ban on handguns across their jurisdiction, to keep our cities and communities safe.

We would also continue to combat gender-based violence and fight gun smuggling with measures we have introduced such as:

• Lifetime background checks to prevent those with a history of abuse against their spouse or partner from obtaining a firearms license.
• “Red flag” laws that would allow immediate removal of firearms if that person is a threat to themselves or others, particularly to their spouse or partner.
• Increased maximum penalties for firearms trafficking and smuggling from 10 to 14 years imprisonment.
• Enhancing the capacity of the RCMP and the Canada Border Services Agency to combat the illegal importation of firearms.'

Remember when I said they were creating a crime crisis to use to their political advantage, well they are clearly starting to use it now. A simple example being locally we had one guy get arrested 3 times in one month for firearms offences (criminal scumbag with illegal firearms). Before that would have been one instance of crime to report and he would have been in jail for a bit. Now its 3 cases, and that was just for one month, likely did more after that.

 

[Good2Golf]

Noting that nowhere does their platform include tougher sentencing for the use of illegally procured weapons in the conduct of a criminal activity…

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Noting that nowhere does their platform include tougher sentencing for the use of illegally procured weapons in the conduct of a criminal activity…

Come on, now. The next thing you will suggest is that the Liberals use evidence as a basis for policy…

 

[Haggis]

I don't see anything new that would prevent another shooting at Jane and Finch. And what happens to their core proposal of a mandatory buyback if the OIC gets overturned by the federal court?

 

[SeaKingTacco]

I don't see anything new that would prevent another shooting at Jane and Finch. And what happens to their core proposal of a mandatory buyback if the OIC gets overturned by the federal court?

The LPC is not super interested in fixing any real problems, so much as they are interested in hammering a demographic (gun owners) which won’t vote for them anyway…

 

[Halifax Tar]

The LPC is not super interested in fixing any real problems, so much as they are interested in hammering a demographic (gun owners) which won’t vote for them anyway…

It's simple divisive politics

 

[Haggis]

A re-elected Liberal government will:

• Crack down on high-capacity magazines and require that long gun magazines capable of holding more than 5 rounds be permanently altered so that they can never hold more than 5 rounds

What do the Liberals define as a "long gun"? Does it include bolt and pump action, too? .22 cal as well?

 

[Rick Goebel]

Liberals have anounced they are going to be even harder on firearms owners with the following being in their platform. Ending Gun Violence | Liberal Party of Canada

'Our communities should be safe and peaceful places to live and raise children, but American-style gun violence is rising. 2019 saw the rate of firearm-related offences rise for the fifth straight year, and the homicide rate was the highest in a decade, with 40% of homicides involving firearms. That is why, in May 2020, we took action to put a ban on the use, sale, or import of assault weapons most used in mass shootings and implement a buyback program for owners.

At the same time, we are investing in prevention efforts and are providing $250 million directly to municipalities and Indigenous communities to give at-risk youth the opportunity to be engaged in activities to stop the spread of gang activity.

Conservatives vowed to repeal this ban with the support of the gun lobby, which would resume the proliferation of assault-style firearms in Canada. Liberals believe even stronger action is needed to get weapons designed for mass casualties off our streets and out of our communities.

A re-elected Liberal government will:

• Toughen our laws on banned assault weapons by making it mandatory for owners to either sell the firearm back to the government for destruction and fair compensation or have it rendered fully and permanently inoperable at government expense.
• Crack down on high-capacity magazines and require that long gun magazines capable of holding more than 5 rounds be permanently altered so that they can never hold more than 5 rounds
• Ban the sale or transfer of magazines that could hold more than a legal number of bullets, regardless of how they were intended to be used by the manufacturer.
• Set aside a minimum of $1 billion to support provinces or territories who implement a ban on handguns across their jurisdiction, to keep our cities and communities safe.

We would also continue to combat gender-based violence and fight gun smuggling with measures we have introduced such as:

• Lifetime background checks to prevent those with a history of abuse against their spouse or partner from obtaining a firearms license.
• “Red flag” laws that would allow immediate removal of firearms if that person is a threat to themselves or others, particularly to their spouse or partner.
• Increased maximum penalties for firearms trafficking and smuggling from 10 to 14 years imprisonment.
• Enhancing the capacity of the RCMP and the Canada Border Services Agency to combat the illegal importation of firearms.'

Remember when I said they were creating a crime crisis to use to their political advantage, well they are clearly starting to use it now. A simple example being locally we had one guy get arrested 3 times in one month for firearms offences (criminal scumbag with illegal firearms). Before that would have been one instance of crime to report and he would have been in jail for a bit. Now its 3 cases, and that was just for one month, likely did more after that.

Conspicuous by its absence is a line like “As a result of our actions of May 2020, gun crimes were reduced by x%”.

 

[Haggis]

Conspicuous by its absence is a line like “As a result of our actions of May 2020, gun crimes were reduced by x%”.

Could that be for the same reason that they have refused to allow a federal court judge to see the "evidence" they used to justify this ban?

 

[ModlrMike]

That looks like a really good question to ask during a debate.

 

[Good2Golf]

What do the Liberals define as a "long gun"? Does it include bolt and pump action, too? .22 cal as well?

We know it doesn’t include anything substantively from the LPC’s international associates the CCP. Otherwise the Norinco Type 93 NSR-G3 would no longer be approved by Team Trudeau…and it still is not on the prohibited list because….well…China.

Trudeau likes this (Chinese) gun…

 

[suffolkowner]

The guns go to jail but not the people that use them to commit crimes as that would be cruel

 

[Eaglelord17]

The magazine thing alone would be a huge deal. Pretty much every rifle magazine in Canada with the exemption of a few hunting magazines originally held more than 5rds and were pinned. There is likely millions of magazines that would be impacted by this as well as virtually all firearms owners.

The Liberals are extremely lucky that legal firearms owners aren't the violent murderous types they portray them as. Unfortunately the much of the public doesn't understand that.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

The good news is that even if the CPC gets a minority government, they do not have to go to Parliament to reverse the recent legislation by the Liberals.

 

[Haggis]

The good news is that even if the CPC gets a minority government, they do not have to go to Parliament to reverse the recent legislation by the Liberals.

To reverse the OIC, no. (Unless the federal court beats them to it, leaving nothing to reverse.) Reversing C-71 will be a whole other story and a bigger fight. I wouldn't be surprised if the opposition turned that into a confidence vote.

 

[suffolkowner]

The good news is that even if the CPC gets a minority government, they do not have to go to Parliament to reverse the recent legislation by the Liberals.

I don't know about that. I don't think we'll see a CPC government unless it's a majority. Trudeau will have first chance to form the government as the PM. Maybe if the CPC gets a really big minority?

 

[Jarnhamar]

If Trudeau stays in power I hope all those protestors crank it up to 11.

 

[Eaglelord17]

I am convinced at this point, nothing short of removing the firearms act and putting back in the pre-1994 restrictions will amount to anything. The OIC portion of the law is the most dangerous part as it allows them to outlaw any firearm (or all firearms) without even having to go through parliament.

Can only hope the Liberals get rightfully kicked to the curb for the division, hate, and discrimination they have brought to Canada and do some serious self reflecting as to what their party stands for.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Lots of chatter on the Enfield forums about the sweeping magazine changes the Libs want.

But its easier to ban things than actually try and improve society.