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The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

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Halifax Tar said:
Mmmmm I dunno. You have some pretty substantial 'collectors' on this forum and I wouldn't they are wealthy. Most of them have built these collections over a lifetime.
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Sorry, I was implying that historically that was the case, before the industry has become so regulated. Also, I know it is overly simplifying to define something as either only a tool, or a toy, but that's how I see things. If you buy a side-by-side to work your farm, its a tool. If you buy it to run the trails, its a toy. And the regulations governing the use are different.
 
captloadie said:
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Sorry, I was implying that historically that was the case, before the industry has become so regulated. Also, I know it is overly simplifying to define something as either only a tool, or a toy, but that's how I see things. If you buy a side-by-side to work your farm, its a tool. If you buy it to run the trails, its a toy. And the regulations governing the use are different.
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All I was saying is in my experience firearms collectors aren't mostly a wealthy lot. I would say middle class. Go to any local gun show, you will meet these folks.

What if the farmer uses the SxS for work on the farm and then takes the missus out for a rip in the evenings, for fun, in the same SxS ?
 
Halifax Tar said:
All I was saying is in my experience firearms collectors aren't mostly a wealthy lot. I would say middle class. Go to any local gun show, you will meet these folks.
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Firearms ownership is like owning horses. Once you start, you will no longer have disposable income.
Halifax Tar said:
What if the farmer uses the SxS for work on the farm and then takes the missus out for a rip in the evenings, for fun, in the same SxS ?
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Different rules could apply.

On the farm, no insurance or registration required. No helmets or seat belts. No signal or driving lights. Go as fast as you want wherever you want.

For trail use off your property you'd need licence and registration, insurance, a trail pass and the requirement to wear helmets and seat belts as well as adhere to the highway laws while transiting to and from the trails would be in play.
 
captloadie said:
So

Sorry, I was implying that historically that was the case, before the industry has become so regulated. Also, I know it is overly simplifying to define something as either only a tool, or a toy, but that's how I see things. If you buy a side-by-side to work your farm, its a tool. If you buy it to run the trails, its a toy. And the regulations governing the use are different.
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I think the changes more started with the media attention on it all as well as the lack of exposure to them. Before a large percentage of the population was rural or lived rural at some point. Now its the opposite with substantially more urban population and very little exposure to rural life from the urban population.

The urban population generally only sees firearms as something criminals use or something to use for self defence. They want strong restrictions because they see it as a way of preventing crime. Currently the desire to use it for self defence in Canada is quite low, but if the government doesn’t sort out the crime I could see it going up.
 
Eaglelord17 said:
The urban population generally only sees firearms as something criminals use or something to use for self defence. They want strong restrictions because they see it as a way of preventing crime. Currently the desire to use it for self defence in Canada is quite low, but if the government doesn’t sort out the crime I could see it going up.
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Some of my single male friends don't talk about the shooting sports while dating, at least for the first few dates.

My youngest posted an action style photo on her FB from a handgun range day we did. Several of her friends of both primary genders quit talking to her.

Gun owners, particularly handgun owners, have deliberately kept a low profile for fear of drawing media and social justice warrior attention to their hobby. Sort of a "Fight Club" mentality.

The former president of my club, for example, was dead set against putting signs on the gate by the road identifying us as a club/range. Now, we've come full circle and are hosting our third National Range Day open house on June 1st.
 
I don't think the new gun control regulations are working as well as the government hopes. Yesterday my neighbor came out to get in his car and found a loaded handgun laying in his driveway. He immediately called EPS and they came to collect it. Later that day the lady in the next house over found a knife with a blade as long as my forearm on her lawn when she was cutting the grass. If the criminals are this willing to dump weapons they can't be too concerned about replacing them.
 
KJK said:
I don't think the new gun control regulations are working as well as the government hopes. Yesterday my neighbor came out to get in his car and found a loaded handgun laying in his driveway. He immediately called EPS and they came to collect it. Later that day the lady in the next house over found a knife with a blade as long as my forearm on her lawn when she was cutting the grass. If the criminals are this willing to dump weapons they can't be too concerned about replacing them.
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Jesus, I thought I lived in a ghetto...
 
Strange part is I don't live in a ghetto. The area around me is mostly retired people with a few new families moving in as my neighbors move to retirement facilities or the next life.
 
KJK said:
Strange part is I don't live in a ghetto. The area around me is mostly retired people with a few new families moving in as my neighbors move to retirement facilities or the next life.
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The riff raff spread, and they could care less where they go and dump their weapons...or just dump....or urinate for that matter.
 
Halifax Tar said:
It's TNC so the normal caveats apply. But this is great news!

tnc.news

Poilievre vows to reverse all of Trudeau’s laws attacking legal gun owners

Gun owners will get a reprieve once the Conservatives are elected, Pierre Poilievre says.
tnc.news tnc.news
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I was so proud of my fellow Canadians when I read that not a single firearm - not one - had been turned into the government...

Ppl knew to just wait it out, because these folks have to be gone eventually


(Less impressed by the government spending $45 million buying back those 0 firearms, but thats not my point in this.)

(I wasn't impressed at all with the squandering of $45 million, but at the same time I was somewhat impressed with the LPC's commitment to just being as guilty of corruption as possible - never an opportunity wasted. Like it takes some real talent to be that committed to an ideal...)
 
KJK said:
Strange part is I don't live in a ghetto. The area around me is mostly retired people with a few new families moving in as my neighbors move to retirement facilities or the next life.
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I honestly love Edmonton 😅 No sarcasm, this city has treated me unbelievably well & I'm grateful I landed myself here for the last decade or so

That being said, Edmonton has its strange features. Like a loaded pistol just randomly being left on someone's driveway, or a Rambo knife randomly being dropped in someone's backyard...

We can have one neighborhood that is fairly safe, quiet, full of retirees & some young families - and right next door have a super shit area - and somehow the people from each neighborhood don't really bother the folks in the other all that much. One street or ave can be the dividing line between 2 very different qualities of life...

(Thinking the north/south divide created by 107 Ave, downtown. South of 107 is Oliver Square, Grant Mac University, and a bunch of restaurants & nightlife, and the beautiful views of the river valley pathways at the top....and NORTH of 107 is run down and shitty, and a well known high crime area. In one set of shifts we had 1 murder, 1 sword fight, 1 serious sexual assault and 1 absolutely brutal random assault (both on the same young woman, great kid who just had all the cards stacked against her) and all of that was literally within 50ft of 107 Ave, all on the north side of it...while I don't think we had any real serious CFS for anywhere south of it in the downtown core)


But you male a very good point. If criminals are leaving weapons like those behind so casually, they must not be worried about replacing them...
 
CBH99 said:
We can have one neighborhood that is fairly safe, quiet, full of retirees & some young families - and right next door have a super shit area - and somehow the people from each neighborhood don't really bother the folks in the other all that much. One street or ave can be the dividing line between 2 very different qualities of life...

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Same in Winnipeg. The "projects" are near every Safeway and in one case right behind it, in a fairly decent area of Winnipeg. And it seems they don't step much outside their lanes.
 
CBH99 said:
We can have one neighborhood that is fairly safe, quiet, full of retirees & some young families - and right next door have a super shit area - and somehow the people from each neighborhood don't really bother the folks in the other all that much. One street or ave can be the dividing line between 2 very different qualities of life...
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It's the same in Ottawa.

I live 2.5KM from the GG and PM, but I don't go out at night.. My area "Montreal Rd./Vanier Parkway" is one of the worst areas in Ottawa, but it's under 3km from the nicest part of Ottawa.
 
Furniture said:
It's the same in Ottawa.

I live 2.5KM from the GG and PM, but I don't go out at night.. My area "Montreal Rd./Vanier Parkway" is one of the worst areas in Ottawa, but it's under 3km from the nicest part of Ottawa.
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When I was in Ottawa, we were a block from a halfway house and a notoriously shady park, and a block (in the other direction) from super chic apartments and restaurants.

That being said, it was a safe place and we walked everywhere.
 
dimsum said:
When I was in Ottawa, we were a block from a halfway house and a notoriously shady park, and a block (in the other direction) from super chic apartments and restaurants.

That being said, it was a safe place and we walked everywhere.
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Cities are interesting...

My landlord told me when I was doing my tour of the building, "the criminals tend to stay away from this building, they keep to themselves." So far it's been true. They know who is in their world, and who isn't, and avoid the "respectable" people who call the police.
 
It was legal to possess arty or explosive launchers before. For example I have seen a 25mm Hotchkiss anti-tank gun for sale in the past for 15k (literally a towed piece of arty). I have also seen a RPG-7 for sale with two 7.62x39 training rounds. That one I actually considered buying as the cool factor was pretty high.

It was the explosive shells themselves you couldn’t possess. The launchers/guns were considered single shot rifles and as such were non-restricted before.
 
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