Police Folk Allegedly Behaving Badly

[dapaterson]

The problem is not only individual officers; it's police services that drop charges and plead out disciplinary matters to retain individuals that should never be trusted as peace officers ever again. Missing money from an arrest - but theft charges dropped at the disciplinary hearing, and a repeat offender will get a two year demotion, but still be a cop.

https://www.cbc.ca/lite/story/1.7175268

 

[CBH99]

The problem is not only individual officers; it's police services that drop charges and plead out disciplinary matters to retain individuals that should never be trusted as peace officers ever again. Missing money from an arrest - but theft charges dropped at the disciplinary hearing, and a repeat offender will get a two year demotion, but still be a cop.

https://www.cbc.ca/lite/story/1.7175268

This pisses me off to no end, and it doesn't do the profession any good either.

There isn't a single positive thing that results from crap like that, but the consequences for members across the board can be severe and take YEARS to rectify...

Best case scenario it creates the image with the public that there is a two-tier justice system, and that agencies sweep things under the rug for their members if it's convenient. My take has always been...if doing it prior to getting hired would have given you a deferral, then just don't do it.

Leading by example, holding members accountable for deliberately bad choices, and serving the community makes the job a whole lot easier.

When people don't trust you, they don't talk to you or bring things to your attention, they don't cooperate even during ordinary everyday encounters, and it creates a level of danger to both the members & the public that doesn't need to exist, and can take years to fix.


My 2 cents

 

[brihard]

The problem is not only individual officers; it's police services that drop charges and plead out disciplinary matters to retain individuals that should never be trusted as peace officers ever again. Missing money from an arrest - but theft charges dropped at the disciplinary hearing, and a repeat offender will get a two year demotion, but still be a cop.

https://www.cbc.ca/lite/story/1.7175268

Tough to get a sense of which charges were disciplinary and which criminal- and who had authority to drop the latter. Unless there’s something markedly different in how they prosecute disciplinary cases, criminal and police services act charges shouldn’t be getting prosecuted together, and only crown should be able to drop criminal charges. Maybe they have in-house prosecution for this stuff who can do both criminal and police services act?

@lenaitch - any idea?

 

[lenaitch]

Tough to get a sense of which charges were disciplinary and which criminal- and who had authority to drop the latter. Unless there’s something markedly different in how they prosecute disciplinary cases, criminal and police services act charges shouldn’t be getting prosecuted together, and only crown should be able to drop criminal charges. Maybe they have in-house prosecution for this stuff who can do both criminal and police services act?

@lenaitch - any idea?

I agree. Criminal matters are for the courts and discipline matters are for the service. I'm not aware of any system that combines or in-houses both but I don't really know.

The Calgary video was nasty. Seeing as he is described as avoiding jail time then the assumption is there was a criminal conviction. The commentator mention that he had "turned his life around" but we aren't given any details.

For me it's always a tough issue. I was an Association branch president for a time and was sometimes conflicted with representing a member while, at the same time being concerned for the profession as a whole (I was also an NCO). Sometimes, it simply boiled down to giving the member the fair representation that they are legally entitled to without championing their case.

Members are human and humans screw up. I'm always reluctant to armchair quarterback cops in action. I wasn't there and video/audio often doesn't tell the complete story. We (OPP in my former area) recently had something similar. The member was booking an intoxicated prisoner and apparently became frustrated as the prisoner struggled removing some jewelry , so she ripped it off then proceeded to bash the prisoner's head into the bars to the point of bleeding. The was compounded by not reporting the incident to a supervisor and the charges were only laid sometime later when the SIU investigated (I forget how they became aware). She received 15 months probation with a bunch of conditions. Just on the basis of that alone, my take is she should find another line of work, but there might be other matters at play.

I'm often conflicted. Should a cop lose their job for a one-off in probably one of the most monitored professions? A trucker popped for impaired most likely would. The courts tend to go light on convicted cops. I'll leave their decisions to them. Is it their first time? Is there a pattern? Some people simply shouldn't be cops; e.g. Toronto's Forcillo. Should they buried buried in some off-the-road role? For the same money some might view that as a reward.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

I imagine this is more online with what Dapaterson was talking about.

Bet that hurt.

 

[CBH99]

Bet that hurt.

Bah, nothing taking a knee & a sip of water won't fix

 

[mariomike]

Should they buried buried in some off-the-road role? For the same money some might view that as a reward.

Cryin' all the way to the bank?

 

[Jarnhamar]

The commentator mention that he had "turned his life around" but we aren't given any details.

Maybe, but we hear this in court rooms anytime drug dealers, domestic abusers, thieves, serial DUI types, and everyone else go before the judge.
Everyone turns their life around after they're caught.

Is it their first time? Is there a pattern?

It seems like the police we read about in the news are repeat offenders with laundry lists of complaints against them. Like Nathan "trouble has followed him through his career" Parker - infamous for being shot by his coworker.

 

[lenaitch]

Maybe, but we hear this in court rooms anytime drug dealers, domestic abusers, thieves, serial DUI types, and everyone else go before the judge.
Everyone turns their life around after they're caught.

True, but at least in court during submissions there at least some information to back up the statement.

 

[dapaterson]

Sexually assaulted someone he knew since they were a child. That person is now also an officer(assaults occurred prior to them becoming an officer).

Somehow the judge decided on a non-custodial sentence.

Former police officer guilty of sexual assault won’t go to jail

Michael LaCombe “retired” last week.

www.thespec.com

 

[Jarnhamar]

Sexually assaulted someone he knew since they were a child. That person is now also an officer(assaults occurred prior to them becoming an officer).

Somehow the judge decided on a non-custodial sentence.

Former police officer guilty of sexual assault won’t go to jail

Michael LaCombe “retired” last week.

www.thespec.com

He's probably a good guy who learned from his mistakes and turned his life around.

 

[dapaterson]

He's probably a good guy who learned from his mistakes and turned his life around.

Future CDS then...

 

[Retired AF Guy]

Future CDS then...

PM?

 

[Jarnhamar]

PM?

I feel we all learned from my sexual assault and I know we will do better as a nation.

 

[OldSolduer]

He's probably a good guy who learned from his mistakes and turned his life around.

Yes I am sure he has......

 

[daftandbarmy]

It's OK, he only tortured people a little bit

Peel police chief met Sri Lankan officer a court says ‘participated’ in torture​

The head of one of Canada’s largest police forces met with a Sri Lankan inspector general of police who two weeks earlier had been found by the South Asian country’s highest court to have “participated in the torture” of an arrested man.

Photos published by Sri Lankan media, including the Ceylon Today, an English-language daily newspaper, show Peel Regional Police Chief Nishan Duraiappah in uniform posing alongside senior Sri Lankan officers on Dec. 29, 2023 at police headquarters in the capital Colombo – a visit a Peel police spokesperson says Global Affairs Canada and the RCMP had been made aware of ahead of time.

One of the law enforcement officials in the photos was the inspector-general of Sri Lankan police, Deshabandu Tennakoon, who earlier that month was ordered to pay compensation for taking part in “mercilessly” beating a man.

Peel police chief met Sri Lankan officer a court says ‘participated’ in torture | Globalnews.ca

The head of one of Peel's police met with a Sri Lankan official who had been found by that country’s highest court to have 'participated in the torture' of an arrested man.

globalnews.ca

 

[brihard]

It's OK, he only tortured people a little bit

Peel police chief met Sri Lankan officer a court says ‘participated’ in torture​

The head of one of Canada’s largest police forces met with a Sri Lankan inspector general of police who two weeks earlier had been found by the South Asian country’s highest court to have “participated in the torture” of an arrested man.

Photos published by Sri Lankan media, including the Ceylon Today, an English-language daily newspaper, show Peel Regional Police Chief Nishan Duraiappah in uniform posing alongside senior Sri Lankan officers on Dec. 29, 2023 at police headquarters in the capital Colombo – a visit a Peel police spokesperson says Global Affairs Canada and the RCMP had been made aware of ahead of time.

One of the law enforcement officials in the photos was the inspector-general of Sri Lankan police, Deshabandu Tennakoon, who earlier that month was ordered to pay compensation for taking part in “mercilessly” beating a man.

Peel police chief met Sri Lankan officer a court says ‘participated’ in torture | Globalnews.ca

The head of one of Peel's police met with a Sri Lankan official who had been found by that country’s highest court to have 'participated in the torture' of an arrested man.

globalnews.ca

Oof.

 

[Retired AF Guy]

Not looking good:

OPP reviewing actions of officer who provided protester with security info of Prime Minister

By Lucas Casaletto and Cormac MacSweeney

Posted April 26, 2024 11:36 am.

Last Updated April 26, 2024 11:51 am.

Ontario Provincial Police (OPP) is reviewing the actions of one of their officers who gave security information about Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to a protester and expressed his support for the demonstrators.

In a video that has surfaced online, an officer tells the protester which route Trudeau’s motorcade is taking and agrees with the protestor’s comments describing the federal government’s bail policies as “catch and release.”

The incident happened on Wednesday, April 25, in Alliston, Ont., where Trudeau spoke alongside Premier Doug Ford to announce a project to build Honda’s electric vehicle battery plant.

“Can you do me a favour? I am on board with you guys, just no profanity,” the officer tells the protester.

In a statement, the OPP says it is aware of the video circulating online, noting that it raises concerns about professionalism and depicts opinions not in line with the force’s values.

“The OPP respects everyone’s right to freedom of expression and peaceful assembly. OPP also recognizes the rights of the general public, local residents and elected officials to a safe environment,” the statement reads.

“The OPP wants to assure the public that this matter is being taken seriously and is currently under review.”

Trudeau touched on the OPP investigation, saying he will let the review play out.

“I emphasize and understand the right to protest is really important,” Trudeau said. “In a democracy, your freedom to disagree with the government is something we perhaps take for granted here in Canada.”

Trudeau added that politicians must be careful not to “feed into divisions amongst Canadians.”

“Anyone who wants to be Prime Minister of this country needs to be clear with Canadians about whose votes he wants and who he stands with,” Trudeau said. “If Pierre Poilievre wanted to be a responsible leader, this is what he should say. ‘I reject categorically the endorsement and the support of Diagolon and of Alex Jones.'”

Diagolon is a Canadian alt-right organization conceived by podcaster Jeremy MacKenzie.

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[Remius]

Not looking good:



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That is actually looking really bad…

 

[brihard]

Not looking good:



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That’s not ideal. Not by a long shot.