CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[Haggis]

Not going to recall Parliament.

Of course not. He'd face an almost immediate confidence vote.

 

[Fabius]

Care to elaborate on what part of that was ironic?

Really?
A leader, party and country that has chronically underfunded and ignored military power using military successes well in the past to inspire nationalism and to demonstrate our ties to allies; seems ironic to me.

 

[Remius]

There is no justification whatsoever for this treatment.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

I believe he also mentioned Kandahar. That's not well in the past.

I am not a Trudeau fan but his speech was spot on - national leader level - and not partisan at all. I'll give him credit here, because credit is due.

 

[brihard]

I believe he also mentioned Kandahar. That's not well in the past.

I am not a Trudeau fan but his speech was spot on - national leader level - and not partisan at all. I'll give him credit her, because credit is due.

It was a good speech. Better than we’ve been accustomed to from him.

And yeah, he mentioned Kandahar, Korea, Normandy, 9/11, Katrina, our water bombers in California just weeks ago… Lots of speaking to Americans.

 

[Fabius]

Question about Americans getting booed at a hockey game tonight: Trudeau clearly not liking this aspect of things.

The tendency to anti Americanism now will be hard to counteract. If the various government levels take a positive approach to now pivot towards reducing internal trade barriers, reducing corporate taxes, encouraging investment, increasing productivity etc. they might be more successful.
Focusing only on not buying American and import and export tariffs will only strengthen the tendency to such displays as the booing of the US anthem.

 

[Brad Sallows]

I think Ford also said Ontario is the biggest purchaser of US liquor in the world.

He might be referring to the liquor board as a single purchaser. It's not a fact worth paying attention to - if you can legislate a large purchasing monopoly in a sizeable jurisdiction, don't be surprised if it ranks in the top 10.

 

[brihard]

A point to remember: Canada vs US is not happening in isolation. This is happening with Mexico and China too. Our retaliatory measures will not be in a vacuum. The more countries or trading blocs the U.S. tries to bully at once, the more reciprocal pain they feel.

I don’t have a finger on the pulse of what that’s actually poised to look like right now.

 

[brihard]

He might be referring to the liquor board as a single purchaser. It's not a fact worth paying attention to - if you can legislate a large purchasing monopoly in a sizeable jurisdiction, don't be surprised if it ranks in the top 10.

The noteworthy point is simply the scale of purchasing power and that it dances to a governmental tune.

See my previous:

Pulling this one from Border Integrity over to the Tariff thread:



LCBO doesn’t sell much American origin beer, but they sell about $860 million a year in U.S. origin wine and spirits. Likely heavily concentrated in a modest number of producing companies, and a modest number of geographical areas.

https://aem.lcbo.com/content/dam/lcbo/corporate-pages/about/annual-report/LCBO-FY2023-Annual-Report-ENGLISH.pdf

One thing with liquor is it’s highly substitutable for Canadian consumers. We can hit it hard to apply pressure to specific U.S. constituencies, and Canadian consumers can buy other products with no real detrimental impact to ourselves.

 

[NearingZenith]

The tendency to anti Americanism now will be hard to counteract. If the various government levels take a positive approach to now pivot towards reducing internal trade barriers, reducing corporate taxes, encouraging investment, increasing productivity etc. they might be more successful.
Focusing only on not buying American and import and export tariffs will only strengthen the tendency to such displays as the booing of the US anthem.

We have to keep the American people/voters on our side so that they blame the rising prices on Trump rather than Canada since they are likely the only ones that can get Trump to change his mind now.

 

[Remius]

A point to remember: Canada vs US is not happening in isolation. This is happening with Mexico and China too. Our retaliatory measures will not be in a vacuum. The more countries or trading blocs the U.S. tries to bully at once, the more reciprocal pain they feel.

I don’t have a finger on the pulse of what that’s actually poised to look like right now.

Denmark looking at Ozempic and Mersk as possible tools to retaliate if Trump goes after them over Greenland. Both things are not insignificant.

 

[Brad Sallows]

I do not intend to march to the sound of the guns of August trade.

Bad policies are bad policies irrespective of who enacts them.

Don't impose tariffs. Don't buy goods and services at higher prices than you have to. Don't restrict international trade flows. Don't restrict intra-national trade flows.

"We're going to invest in all this stuff we refused to invest in before" is just a roundabout way of saying "We were wrong". The architects of deliberate past mistakes are probably not the best people be in charge moving forward. They still have their ideological priors to serve.

 

[Kilted]

So Trump won't even speak to Trudeau at this point.

 

[Brad Sallows]

One thing with liquor is it’s highly substitutable for Canadian consumers. We can hit it hard to apply pressure to specific U.S. constituencies, and Canadian consumers can buy other products with no real detrimental impact to ourselves.

Right, and after US bourbon producers establish relationships in new markets elsewhere, don't expect them to answer the phone when ON and BC come calling asking to be forgiven - especially when BC (Eby) is making it political/personal by directing attention to "red" states. More than one brand of liquor I used to enjoy became only sporadically available locally when Asian markets started outbidding us; expect more of that.

 

[brihard]

Right, and after US bourbon producers establish relationships in new markets elsewhere, don't expect them to answer the phone when ON and BC come calling asking to be forgiven - especially when BC (Eby) is making it political/personal by directing attention to "red" states. More than one brand of liquor I used to enjoy became only sporadically available locally when Asian markets started outbidding us; expect more of that.

I’m not personally concerned about that. There’s probably no better example of a purely discretionary consumer product from the U.S. that can be hit with retaliatory tariffs to apply political pressure without tangibly harming Canadians. The grumbling of liquor connoisseurs can yield to larger national interests.

Rolling over for Trump and showing weakness would simply embolden him to continue his push for what I’m increasingly convinced is a desire to ultimately absorb Canada. He is a robber baron.

 

[YZT580]

The noteworthy point is simply the scale of purchasing power and that it dances to a governmental tune.

See my previous:



One thing with liquor is it’s highly substitutable for Canadian consumers. We can hit it hard to apply pressure to specific U.S. constituencies, and Canadian consumers can buy other products with no real detrimental impact to ourselves.

bull Single malt cannot be substituted

 

[Good2Golf]

bull Single malt cannot be substituted

American ‘single malt?’

I don’t mind bourbon, but it isn’t Scotch…

 

[QV]

Rolling over for Trump and showing weakness would simply embolden him to continue his push for what I’m increasingly convinced is a desire to ultimately absorb Canada. He is a robber baron.

Canada is putting up more of a fight against the US than it has China.

 

[brihard]

bull Single malt cannot be substituted

One of several good reasons not to pick fights with Scotland.

 

[JLB50]

So Trump won't even speak to Trudeau at this point.

No, the only world leader he really speaks to and listens to is Vlad Putin.