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CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

Canada going with tariffs is the wrong approach. We are now in a race to see who can tax ourselves the most. Looking at either country’s economy should inform you which country will be able to weather that far easier then the next.

We are led by imbeciles who have been wrong again and again.
 
The average philistine bourbon drinker drinks JD because it's cheap and available... How many years of JD being more expensive than 40 Creek does it take to shift consumer interest?
JD is to good bourbon as Fireball is to whiskey, or Dewars is to Scotch.

I have a lot of time to think about these things now that I am dry...and missing great bourbon and top-notch single malt Scotch
 
I love peated Irish whisky. Irish, not scotch. Scotch is what resulted when the Crown forbade the Irish to make whisky. The Scots started making it and cut enough corners to make it friendly to their uncouth palette. 😉

Bollocks. The Benedictines were in Scotland before they were in Ireland. They taught the lowlanders the art of triple distilling.
 
Canada going with tariffs is the wrong approach. We are now in a race to see who can tax ourselves the most. Looking at either country’s economy should inform you which country will be able to weather that far easier then the next.
Except it isn’t just our economy at a play.
We are led by imbeciles who have been wrong again and again.
So, what would be the right response then? The right approach in your view?

PP is demanding a dollar for dollar tariff response. Are you saying he is an imbecile? Or will be if he leads us as projected?
 
Except it isn’t just our economy at a play.

So, what would be the right response then? The right approach in your view?

PP is demanding a dollar for dollar tariff response. Are you saying he is an imbecile? Or will be if he leads us as projected?
I think PP is wrong. I think he is saying these things because he reads the emotive response of “hurah! Go Canada! We’re punching back!” Foisted by the media and lapped up by the sheep. He’s trying to avoid being called a traitor by the media/LPC machine by taking any other measured position (D. Smith) that could jeopardize his electoral chances.

The right approach in my view would be do nothing on tariffs. But immediately do the following:
- rapidly accelerate energy development, thats O&G, coal, nuclear, and LNG, not windmills
-rapidly accelerate a means to move that product in every direction, Quebec be damned
-rapidly reduce inter provincial trade barriers
-immediately halt foreign aid that serves no real national interest, plenty to trim here
-drop expensive vote buying social programs, this would need detailed analysis but includes the over correction of DEI
-rapid overhaul of government procurement for fast acquisitions
-rapid build out of CAF capabilities, and recruiting, use mainly American hardware.
-drop the net zero cult goal and everything that goes with it, even NASA says we’re good
-create business environment for investment, Canada has lost billions under Trudeau.
-take drastic measures to root out foreign adversarial influence focusing on the CCP first.
-serious on border and immigration


We won’t win a tit for tat tariff war against an economy 12x our size that imports a small percentage of its overall from us. In fact, I think that’s how you get to the 51st state much faster.

There is no way Trudeau will do many of those things - it would mean he’s been wrong for 10 years. Hence tariff war for the plebes.
 
I’ve said plenty. I’m just enjoying some of the hysterical posts here today. If only we had this kind of emotion from you lot when Trudeau was putting in barriers to O&G exports, wrecking the CAF, courting the CCP, or any other general corruptness.
A lot of people here have been speaking out against Trudeau for years now, myself included. And to think I helped vote him into office in the first place. I’m definitely not a fan of Trudeau. And I’m not a fan of Poilievre either. Nor of Biden in the U.S. Trump? The guy is dangerous…to his country…to ours…and to the world. Simply because he has an overwhelming mandate given to him by the U.S. electorate doesn’t make him a great leader. Only an immensely powerful one.
 
I think PP is wrong. I think he is saying these things because he reads the emotive response of “hurah! Go Canada! We’re punching back!” Foisted by the media and lapped up by the sheep. He’s trying to avoid being called a traitor by the media/LPC machine by taking any other measured position (D. Smith) that could jeopardize his electoral chances.
I disagree but I accept that you are at least being consistant.
The right approach in my view would be do nothing on tariffs. But immediately do the following:
- rapidly accelerate energy development, thats O&G, coal, nuclear, and LNG, not windmills
Agreed.
-rapidly accelerate a means to move that product in every direction, Quebec be damned
Agreed.
-rapidly reduce inter provincial trade barriers
Agreed.
-immediately halt foreign aid that serves no real national interest, plenty to trim here
Sort of agree. But to be honest with the US pulling out of certain things Canada will likely as well as without the US those initiatives won’t have any effect.
-drop expensive vote buying social programs, this would need detailed analysis but includes the over correction of DEI
Depends on what.
-rapid overhaul of government procurement for fast acquisitions
Agreed.
-rapid build out of CAF capabilities, and recruiting, use mainly American hardware.
Disagree. Yes on increasing CAF capabilities but this current situations shows that the US can and will try and bully us. I would use American hardware for continental defense. Stay intergrated on those and start looking to Europe or else where for other capabilities.
-drop the net zero cult goal and everything that goes with it, even NASA says we’re good
Partly agree. I’d do it differently.
-create business environment for investment, Canada has lost billions under Trudeau.
Agreed.
-take drastic measures to root out foreign adversarial influence focusing on the CCP first.
Agreed. Have to be careful with drastic.
-serious on border and immigration
Agree but we already have taken steps in ten right direction on both.
We won’t win a tit for tat tariff war against an economy 12x our size that imports a small percentage of its overall from us. In fact, I think that’s how you get to the 51st state much faster.
No one is doing a tit for tat though. So far this is very targeted and needs to be coordinated with other nations.
There is no way Trudeau will do many of those things - it would mean he’s been wrong for 10 years. Hence tariff war for the plebes.
Trudeau is essentially gone. Someone else will be at helm.
 
A lot of people here have been speaking out against Trudeau for years now, myself included. And to think I helped vote him into office in the first place. I’m definitely not a fan of Trudeau. And I’m not a fan of Poilievre either. Nor of Biden in the U.S. Trump? The guy is dangerous…to his country…to ours…and to the world. Simply because he has an overwhelming mandate given to him by the U.S. electorate doesn’t make him a great leader. Only an immensely powerful one.
I think Canada would prosper like never before if it worked with Trump. I think your fears are largely sensationalized.
 
I’m heavily leaning towards it doesn’t matter what we do; the most obvious reason is because Trump said it.

It seems quite convenient that the primary effect of this will be a shift towards a consumption tax for the US population. Consumption taxes favour the wealthy.

I still don’t understand why everyone is playing “Obama broke it, Trump will fix it; Trump broke it, Biden will fix it; Biden broke it, Trump will fix it..” (substitute Harper, Trudeau, Pollievre; or whoever) why money and power continue to be channeled to a very few. A very few that have now blatantly been given access to the center of the world’s most important economy.

And there using the same old playbook… your problems aren’t because of us, it’s because of them (meaning foreigners,immigrants, minorities, etc). When Trumps plan fails to fix what he says it will, who will he blame. Obviously, Canada, for having the audacity to not do as they were told.

He all you peons, look at the shiny things; nothing to see over here…
 
Prosperity under an isolationist president who wants America first, and all businesses to only make things in America. You must be joking

What is wrong with a leader that wants those things for his country? We should have a leader that wants those same things also.
You make it sound like we are entitled to interfere with those goals.
 
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