CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[daftandbarmy]

Speak with? Or speak at? Trudeau is no match for Trump. It will probably be a very one sided conversation.

And we're not going to be the only ones in the gunsights...

Trump to speak with Trudeau, Mexico after imposing tariffs​

Trump also suggested he could impose tariffs on the European Union (EU), and potentially the United Kingdom, after he has threatened to do so if they don’t purchase large quantities of American oil and gas to make up for its growing deficit with the U.S.

“The UK is way out of line, and we’ll see. The UK, but European Union is really out of line. UK is out of line but I’m sure that one, I think that one can be worked out. But the European Union, it’s an atrocity what they’ve done,” he said on Sunday night.

The EU purchases the lion’s share of American oil and gas and no additional volumes are available unless the U.S. increases output or volumes are re-routed through Asia, Reuters reported, citing U.S. data.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5122268-trump-to-speak-with-trudeau-mexico-after-imposing-tariffs/

 

[OldSolduer]

Wab Kinew recently stated that Manitoba is a maritime province. Time to build a pipeline from Fort McMurray to Churchill.

He did???

Funny I live in Winnipeg and there is no Atlantic ocean here.

He did announce all US liquor will be off the LC shelves on Tuesday.

 

[Remius]

He did???

Funny I live in Winnipeg and there is no Atlantic ocean here.

Manitoba is connected to Hudson’s bay no?

He did announce all US liquor will be off the LC shelves on Tuesday.

 

[OldSolduer]

Manitoba is connected to Hudson’s bay no?

Yes, Yes it is ....

there you go reading maps and all that...

 

[Cloud Cover]

As far as BC is concerned, I’d like to say keep your money. This provincial government could weather this dispute if they would only stop funding stupid things, and maybe try criminalizing possession of hard drugs like you know … Fentanyl.

To wit:

 

[OldSolduer]

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So there it is. Trump Tariffs are just his weapon for the Anschluss Kanada.

Well he would soon find Canada is ungovernable by competent people.....He ain't one....

 

[Czech_pivo]

Feel free to go through my posts and find where I said I agree with his use of tariffs.

I am on the fence, in the middle, not overly concerned of the tariffs on either side being the end game. I can think beyond the here and now and extreme rhetoric from both sides. I can see the tariff issue as a means to drive both sides into a negotiated settlement. Rather than hang around and not be able to see beyond the tariff starting blocks. Which trudeau just did. Retaliating in the here and now instead of looking a few steps further down the process.

I think both sides are wrong in the use of tariffs, but I think, maybe, Trump is using this as a cudgel. He knows the broken promises, hedging and dishonest discussions of dealing with trudeau and his jellyfish. This might well have been designed to make people act. However, they respond. It's shit or get off the pot time and break a few eggs. Not time to make appeasing pseudo agreements still outstanding 4 years from now.

Call it stupid, call it fanciful or whatever else you want. We need someone that can get in to see him and speak on his level, like Kevin O'Leary, who has the skills and is already in on the favourful edge of Trumps circle. We need to have someone sit across the table and say "what's your bottom line and how do we make it a win, win for us both. Trump needs to see we are serious about our commitments, including NATO. We need to put our money where our mouth is and move on from the petty games.

So, as you can see, I've never been for the tariffs on either side, I'm for finding out the end game and negotiating, in good faith for a change, a way to get there advantagous to both of us.

Sounds like we need some savy business person. Someone who ran a large corporation, maybe even the CDN side of a large US corporation and thins like them, has experience in how they do business.
Sounds like we need another Mulroney….maybe even a Paul Martin Jr…..sadly we have no one like this currently.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Irving... working weekends to keep up to date...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1886102854487650733

 

[OldSolduer]

Sounds like we need some savy business person. Someone who ran a large corporation, maybe even the CDN side of a large US corporation and thins like them, has experience in how they do business.
Sounds like we need another Mulroney….maybe even a Paul Martin Jr…..sadly we have no one like this currently.

We do but they'd have to identify as something acceptable to the DEI community which would not be acceptable to DJT.

I do agree with you though - plus we need some fiscal sanity at all levels of government -city, province and federal.

 

[QV]

Ah, so you're throwing shade and continuing to dodge the question.

I already said Canada should not tariff, and get to that list forthwith.

Yes I’m throwing shade. I’m tired of this country squandering all our potential and future with bullshit. I’m tired of the do more with less in the CAF. And I’m really tired of all the bullshit excuses. Change the law, change the rules. It’s a matter of national importance.

 

[brihard]

Wab Kinew recently stated that Manitoba is a maritime province. Time to build a pipeline from Fort McMurray to Churchill.

Wab Kinew’s been surprising. The NDP is not at all to my taste, but his political career will be interesting to watch. I hope we see him move to federal politics in time.

 

[MilEME09]

Sounds like we need some savy business person. Someone who ran a large corporation, maybe even the CDN side of a large US corporation and thins like them, has experience in how they do business.
Sounds like we need another Mulroney….maybe even a Paul Martin Jr…..sadly we have no one like this currently.

Nope but we will get a mark carney, who worked at Goldman Sachs, chair and head of impact investing at Brookfield Asset Management and as chair of the board of directors for Bloomberg L.P., bank of Canda governor, bank of England governor, and chair of the financial stability board. Still an impressive list when we need someone who understands economics.

 

[OldSolduer]

Wab Kinew’s been surprising. The NDP is not at all to my taste, but his political career will be interesting to watch. I hope we see him move to federal politics in time.

He's not been bad - Health Care here is under fire - like it is everywhere.

It was said in the olde days of the USSR that the Minister of Agriculture in Olde Soviet Union had the most thankless task in the country.

Same with Health Care in Manitoba

 

[QV]

Nope but we will get a mark carney, who worked at Goldman Sachs, chair and head of impact investing at Brookfield Asset Management and as chair of the board of directors for Bloomberg L.P., bank of Canda governor, bank of England governor, and chair of the financial stability board. Still an impressive list when we need someone who understands economics.

Carney will cause untold damage.

He is Trudeau with a tighter haircut and higher IQ.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Nope but we will get a mark carney, who worked at Goldman Sachs, chair and head of impact investing at Brookfield Asset Management and as chair of the board of directors for Bloomberg L.P., bank of Canda governor, bank of England governor, and chair of the financial stability board. Still an impressive list when we need someone who understands economics.

Understanding Economics and understanding Business are not the same and shouldn’t be confused as being one and the same.
One is ‘theory’ and one is ‘actual’.
Can’t think of many Economists that come to mind who run or have run S&P 500 companies or TSX 60 companies.

 

[brihard]

Good example of domestic pushback against tariffs on Canada from U.S. lobby groups. Canada supplies most of the potash used as fertilizer by the U.S. agricultural sector. This is one where they’re going to self-inflict some pain. It will be further exacerbated by losing some market share in Canadian agricultural imports.

U.S. fertilizer industry seeking tariff exemption for potash and nitrogen from Canada

The organization that represents U.S. fertilizer producers, wholesalers, and retailers is calling on the Trump administration to exempt Canadian fertilizer products from the tariffs set to take effect on Feb. 4. “The Fertilizer Institute stands ready to collaborate with the Trump Administration...

www.realagriculture.com

 

[Czech_pivo]

He's not been bad - Health Care here is under fire - like it is everywhere.

It was said in the olde days of the USSR that the Minister of Agriculture in Olde Soviet Union had the most thankless task in the country.

Same with Health Care in Manitoba

Just as a side note, Gorbachev was Minister of Agriculture in the old SU before becoming numéro uno.
Things in the old didn’t turn out to well for him….

 

[MilEME09]

Understanding Economics and understanding Business are not the same and shouldn’t be confused as being one and the same.
One is ‘theory’ and one is ‘actual’.
Can’t think of many Economists that come to mind who run or have run S&P 500 companies or TSX 60 companies.

Maybe so but understanding monetary policy is important. Compared to the CPC shadow cabinet where we have Pierre who is a career politician and the shadow finance minister who built houses.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Understanding Economics and understanding Business are not the same and shouldn’t be confused as being one and the same.
One is ‘theory’ and one is ‘actual’.
Can’t think of many Economists that come to mind who run or have run S&P 500 companies or TSX 60 companies.

In a fair number of universities Economics is found within the Faculty of Science - not within the Faculty of Business…

 

[Cloud Cover]

JD Vance coming in Hot … and it’s ugly for the policy missteps of Canadian Team Red: