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CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

foresterab said:
Well when you look at the development of the TransCanada railway there are a couple of things that still stand out to me:
1) one of the first acts was to buy a US railroad from Sault Ste Marie to Daluth to allow shipments to current day Winnipeg (and build both east and west from that point)
2) more dynamite was used in northern ontario than through BC

What I also never realized as a kid travelling through that area but sure realized as an adult is how harsh, especially by 1800 settlement standards, northern Ontario is and how much of a geographic barrier it is on the country.

It is telling that 150 post confederation the country is still connected - in northern Ontario - by two lane highway pinch points just outside of Nipigon to Thunder Bay....and then again from Kamistigquia to Shabaqua Corner....and then again from Kenora to Manitoba. Or if you truly want to travel E/W fast you go south through the USA.

The USA has its empty spaces especially in the SW states but nothing like some of the barriers in Canada.
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Pushing hard on the twinning of highway 17 to complete a four lane Trans Canada would be a useful reduction of barriers to internal trade.
 
PrairieFella said:
Youre ascribing way to much logic to a man who has proven to be completely illogical.
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His team has had four years to prepare -- I am not a big DJT fan, but he is a master manipulator, and has generally a lot of smart folks working for him. One shouldn't discount certain ideas and/or strategies just due to dislike of a person.
PrairieFella said:
Whats more likely is he actually does want to annex Canada for the win and the for the showmanship. I doubt he's doing the second order thinking that would make him realize he'd ensure Republicans are never elected again.
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You are falling into the trap. Where is the win in getting Canada? More debt? More crybabies? Better to take Alberta in the Interior of BC - and watch Canada crumble and die.

While DJT may be a braggart and a blowhard, he isn't a fool - the tariffs are a stick to get Canada and other countries to act a certain way -- like live up to promises that where made a decade ago...
 
IKnowNothing said:
I view DJT as an irredeemable conman that I wouldn't trust to give me last nights scores- but In this case I would actually lean to his version being more "true."

It's a lowest common denominator explanation that misrepresents the details of the actual situation via simplification- de facto vice de jure kind of thing. American banks are not technically banned, but from their perspective our regulatory regime creates an untenable competitive environment, which has resulted in them having an insignificant and inexplicably small market share for a supposedly "free trade" environment- which is kind of potato-potahtoe from their side of the fence. I don't think knowledgeable person would argue the principle of the matter, that our regulatory regime does indeed stifle competition and restrict entry. We just don't care because we like it the way it is- it serves the interest of our people.

Someone on our side trying to refute the above and position our banking industry as open and competitive by framing 113 billion in cumulative assets as being in any way meaningful is counting on audience ignorance of the scale of the banking industry to deceptively invalidate the US concerns and avoid discussing the crux of the issue- that certain of our national interests definitely do fly in the face of free trade, and that if the US pushes we may be forced to choose.

We gain nothing by meeting his lies with lies to ourselves, or by burying our heads in the sand about the nature of their grievances.
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Thx for the added nuance- appreciated!

Edited to add: thx, more specifically, for fleshing out more of the truth compared to the two other “political truths/lies.”
 
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KevinB said:
Getting Canadians...

Canadian land and resources are great, but the people ;)
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Schitts Creek Pain GIF by CBC
 
Another great pic by Trump. Marco Rubio talks tariffs and other stuff.

 
PrairieFella said:
Youre ascribing way to much logic to a man who has proven to be completely illogical. Whats more likely is he actually does want to annex Canada for the win and the for the showmanship. I doubt he's doing the second order thinking that would make him realize he'd ensure Republicans are never elected again.
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You just said this about a guy who came back from political death to achieve the greatest comeback in American political history and is right now utterly dismantling everything his political opponents laid down?

:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
brihard said:
How is it a net loss for Republicans? We have a TON of raw material resources- industries they tend to be quite favourable to.
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There's little point worrying about "51st state" rhetoric unless you're willing to be at least partly realistic. Canada would not enter as less than a state; it would not enter as a single state. Most new states formed from parts of Canada would lean moderately to heavily Democratic, tilting the presidency (EC votes), Senate, and House towards more frequent Democratic control. Republicans know this.
 
KevinB said:
His team has had four years to prepare -- I am not a big DJT fan, but he is a master manipulator, and has generally a lot of smart folks working for him. One shouldn't discount certain ideas and/or strategies just due to dislike of a person.

You are falling into the trap. Where is the win in getting Canada? More debt? More crybabies? Better to take Alberta in the Interior of BC - and watch Canada crumble and die.

While DJT may be a braggart and a blowhard, he isn't a fool - the tariffs are a stick to get Canada and other countries to act a certain way -- like live up to promises that where made a decade ago...
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While I generally agree with you re DJT and his team I disagree on the what would happen if the US got its hands on Canada. I think all those blank spots on the maps I posted above would be filled in pretty quick.

And there would a massive rush to Florida, Texas and Arizona. I don't know many people that aspired to retire in California. Jobs in Tennessee and Kentucky were popular.
 
IKnowNothing said:
I view DJT as an irredeemable conman that I wouldn't trust to give me last nights scores- but In this case I would actually lean to his version being more "true."

It's a lowest common denominator explanation that misrepresents the details of the actual situation via simplification- de facto vice de jure kind of thing. American banks are not technically banned, but from their perspective our regulatory regime creates an untenable competitive environment, which has resulted in them having an insignificant and inexplicably small market share for a supposedly "free trade" environment- which is kind of potato-potahtoe from their side of the fence. I don't think knowledgeable person would argue the principle of the matter, that our regulatory regime does indeed stifle competition and restrict entry. We just don't care because we like it the way it is- it serves the interest of our people.

Someone on our side trying to refute the above and position our banking industry as open and competitive by framing 113 billion in cumulative assets as being in any way meaningful is counting on audience ignorance of the scale of the banking industry to deceptively invalidate the US concerns and avoid discussing the crux of the issue- that certain of our national interests definitely do fly in the face of free trade, and that if the US pushes we may be forced to choose.

We gain nothing by meeting his lies with lies to ourselves, or by burying our heads in the sand about the nature of their grievances.
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Kind of like his beef with the Euros - regulations equal non-tariff trade barriers, couched in morality.
 
KevinB said:
He doesn’t want Canada, it’s a net loss for Republicans. He wants Canada to act - so insulting sovereignty is one way to get Canadians to actually act on that.

I’m sure he also enjoys watching people lose their minds about nonsense.

He is a very cunning showman.
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As I said before, the only threat the Canadians will believe is the US.
 
KevinB said:
He doesn’t want Canada, it’s a net loss for Republicans. He wants Canada to act - so insulting sovereignty is one way to get Canadians to actually act on that.

I’m sure he also enjoys watching people lose their minds about nonsense.

He is a very cunning showman.
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Besides he’d have to contend with Quebec. And The Maritimes. Newfoundland would totally fuck him up - eh bys?

OK so I will add this here: I was on another platform and people sure like to toss the word "Nazi" around or address people with the German "Herr" as if to say "he's a Nazi".

Well - I pointed out that Harper, nor Poliviere condone concentration camps. Nor did they chant in the street celebrating the murders, rapes and kidnappings of Israelis - they in fact condemned it. I am sick and tired of assholes calling others "Nazis" because they don't like their politics.
 
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