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CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

It's stupid to have import tariffs on almost anything. We needlessly overpay for basic necessities, too, due to protectionist government policies. That's the landscape.
As long as we can agree that it’s stupid, it’s questionable for you to wave that response away as being based in emotion.

"Egg Tax". How clever.
Shrug he’s slapping a huge tax on imported eggs. And a bunch of other stuff. This is after literally campaigning on, among other things, the price of eggs. He’s gonna have to be prepared to respond to messaging as simple and as rooted in truth as that. Americans will want to know why the country, short of eggs, is arbitrarily slamming a further tax on their groceries.
 
Americans will want to know why the country, short of eggs, is arbitrarily slamming a further tax on their groceries.
Yes. I'm confident that tariffs will impose a sharp enough increase in prices that we don't need to worsen the damage with counter-tariffs, embargoes, or gratuitous expressions of anti-Americanism.
 
Well, here we go...


from CNN:

Dow tumbles 750 points as Trump confirms tariffs on Mexico and Canada will start Tuesday

US stocks slid Monday as investors braced for President Donald Trump’s proposed tariffs on Canada, Mexico and China to go into effect by the midnight deadline.

The Dow tumbled 750 points, or 1.72%, in afternoon trading. The broader S&P 500 fell 2% and the Nasdaq Composite fell 2.9%.

“Tomorrow, tariffs — 25% on Canada and 25% on Mexico,” Trump said during a press conference at the White House. “And that’ll start. … What they have to do is build their car plants, frankly, and other things in the United States, in which case they have no tariffs.”
The VIX, Wall Street’s fear gauge, surged to its highest point this year after Trump’s comments.

US stocks are “likely to be volatile” until Trump’s policies points toward being more growth-focused, said Jason Draho, head of asset allocation for the Americas at UBS Global Wealth Management, in a note Monday.

Draho said he does expect future growth and maintains a “positive medium-term outlook.”

The stock market began to slide Monday morning to begin the new month, as investors digested the latest manufacturing survey from the Institute for Supply Management. The survey showed economic activity in the manufacturing industry remained in expansion territory, yet slowed last month. Tariff fears dominated write-in responses to the survey.

“Customers are pausing on new orders as a result of uncertainty regarding tariffs. There is no clear direction from the administration on how they will be implemented, so it’s harder to project how they will affect business,” said one survey respondent.
Markets slid further Monday afternoon after Trump posted on Truth Social that he plans to implement tariffs on “external product,” potentially including agricultural products. It was not immediately clear how these tariffs would be implemented.

“To the Great Farmers of the United States: Get ready to start making a lot of agricultural product to be sold INSIDE of the United States. Tariffs will go on external product on April 2nd. Have fun!” Trump said in the post.

The sentiment driving markets on Monday was “fear,” according to CNN’s Fear and Greed Index.

The stocks dragging markets lower on Monday included Nvidia (NVDA), which was down 7% in afternoon trading.

The yield on the 10-year Treasury slid to 4.18%, signaling concerns about uncertainty and future economic growth.

Meanwhile, shares in defense companies in Europe soared to record highs on Monday as European leaders consider the need to re-arm amid less US support for Ukraine.

WTI crude, the US benchmark, fell 2.4% after OPEC announced it would begin producing more oil in April.
 
He hasn’t. Heard him on the radio. Says he knows it isn’t that much for Musk but it’s a principled stand he’s taking.
If we cancel the contract are we going g to end up paying millions of dollars in cancelation fees?

If so, AND starlink keeps 100% of their product, that seems like a win for starlink and a loss for canadian tax payers. Especially ones counting on that internet access.

I'd rather see (heh) Ford shut the lights off.
 
There has been no shortage of self inflicted wounds. Why cease the self immolation now?
 
If we cancel the contract are we going g to end up paying millions of dollars in cancelation fees?
No clue. Ford said he didn’t care
If so, AND starlink keeps 100% of their product, that seems like a win for starlink and a loss for canadian tax payers. Especially ones counting on that internet access.

I'd rather see (heh) Ford shut the lights off.
He said he’s do it with a smile on his face.
 
No clue. Ford said he didn’t care
If so that's really stupid virtue signalling of him.

Didn't we do that a few years with a helicopter contract? Canceled the contract, didn't get the new helicopters, and had to pay more in fees than the original contract was worth. Unless I'm misremembering that.
 
Both options.
Carney's was the worse mistake, showed his inexperience and naivety. Took a nothing burger and turned it into a legitimate black mark on his public record.

The CPC response makes me more angry though. It's pure partisan gaslighting- no different than the LPC on gun control.
 
If so that's really stupid virtue signalling of him.

Didn't we do that a few years with a helicopter contract? Canceled the contract, didn't get the new helicopters, and had to pay more in fees than the original contract was worth. Unless I'm misremembering that.
Like I said I don’t know the details of that contract. Ford doesn’t care though.

But he said he would do that. He campaigned on getting a mandate to fight Trump and he got it. So I guess Ontarians are ok with it.
 
If we cancel the contract are we going g to end up paying millions of dollars in cancelation fees?

If so, AND starlink keeps 100% of their product, that seems like a win for starlink and a loss for canadian tax payers. Especially ones counting on that internet access.

I'd rather see (heh) Ford shut the lights off.
Just picture Chretien signing the documents for the helicopter contract cancellation. A shining moment in the sun for the politician at the expense of the cut-off subscribers.
 
If so that's really stupid virtue signalling of him.

Didn't we do that a few years with a helicopter contract? Canceled the contract, didn't get the new helicopters, and had to pay more in fees than the original contract was worth. Unless I'm misremembering that.
$500 million was the penalty. The contract was considerably more than that. Nevertheless, that was about 0.4% of federal revenues at the time.
 
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