CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[MilEME09]

My question is why are we still giving 21 days before the rest of the tariffs kick in? we had a full month since the original deadline, did everyone think this wasn't going to come to pass and didn't plan to actually find alternatives? If i was in gov i would of told industry, start planning now for them to start, then we could of hit them back with all 155B today, not 21 days from now.

 

[Brad Sallows]

INTERNATIONAL BRIEFS;Canada Settles Claim On Canceled Helicopters (Published 1996)

www.nytimes.com

Canada's Government said yesterday that it had reached a settlement agreement with E. H. Industries, a jointly owned unit of Westland Helicopters Ltd. of Britain and Agusta S.p.A. of Italy, for a claim arising from the 1993 cancellation of the EH-101 helicopter program. The settlement, worth $157.8 million (Canadian), or $115 million (United States), was reached in October but was made public only yesterday.

David Dingwall, Minister of Public Works and Government Services, said the settlement meant the Government "has closed the books on the EH-101 helicopter program." Prime Minister Jean Chretien's Government canceled the deal, reached by his Conservative predecessors, soon after taking office in late 1993. (Reuters)

Almost all sources I've ever found refer to a $500 million penalty. That source doesn't clarify whether the amount was the entire payment or a final payment of a larger amount. It's possible a lesser penalty was negotiated, but that doesn't change the fact that Chretien triggered the penalty knowing that it was $500 million.

 

[brihard]

My question is why are we still giving 21 days before the rest of the tariffs kick in? we had a full month since the original deadline, did everyone think this wasn't going to come to pass and didn't plan to actually find alternatives? If i was in gov i would of told industry, start planning now for them to start, then we could of hit them back with all 155B today, not 21 days from now.

While the economic crisis is a ‘right now’ problem, this is still going to be a long thing to tackle. The first chunk of tariffs have been enacted. Canada has shown we mean it and we’re doing it. That gives all those other industries a few weeks to sweat and lobby and to pressure congressional representatives.

We’re trying to leverage a desired policy response; it’s not punishment for punishment’s sake.

 

[MilEME09]

The PM calling the president just Donald, is a nice touch when america wants to be petty

 

[HavokFour]

Ontario to Slap Export Tax on Electricity to U.S.

Canada’s province of Ontario will slap a 25% export tax on electricity it sends to 1.5 million homes in Minnesota, Michigan and New York, in retaliation for President Trump’s tariffs, said Doug Ford, Ontario’s leader. Ford added that he will direct the province’s energy producers to shut down the e

www.wsj.com

Nice to see Ford following through. The LCBO website is also currently down.

 

[PrairieFella]

Ontario to Slap Export Tax on Electricity to U.S.

Canada’s province of Ontario will slap a 25% export tax on electricity it sends to 1.5 million homes in Minnesota, Michigan and New York, in retaliation for President Trump’s tariffs, said Doug Ford, Ontario’s leader. Ford added that he will direct the province’s energy producers to shut down the e

www.wsj.com

Nice to see Ford following through. The LCBO website is also currently down.

I'd like to see MLCC follow suit. Bourbon is swill anyways.

 

[MilEME09]

Ford is banning all US companies from procurement, ripping up the starlink contract, among other things, good first move

 

[Furniture]

Ontario to Slap Export Tax on Electricity to U.S.

Canada’s province of Ontario will slap a 25% export tax on electricity it sends to 1.5 million homes in Minnesota, Michigan and New York, in retaliation for President Trump’s tariffs, said Doug Ford, Ontario’s leader. Ford added that he will direct the province’s energy producers to shut down the e

www.wsj.com

Nice to see Ford following through. The LCBO website is also currently down.

I like this because it's hitting a non-necessary but still noticeable industry. It will hurt American companies, and may boost local Canadian ones.

 

[ModlrMike]

I'd like to see MLCC follow suit. Bourbon is swill anyways.

Here you go:

Manitoba pulls U.S. alcohol products off shelves in response to tariffs

Starting Tuesday, American products will be pulled off Liquor Mart shelves and MBLL will stop ordering American alcohol.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[OldSolduer]

Begun the Trade Wars have.

 

[HavokFour]

https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/lindt-supply-chocolate-canada-europe-sidestep-tariff-hit-2025-03-04/

Chocolate lovers and partners rejoice.

 

[MilEME09]

Begun the Trade Wars have.

Let's give the people what they want the

https://twitter.com/x/status/1896980733861982512

 

[Quirky]

Let's give the people what they want the

https://twitter.com/x/status/1896980733861982512

Current owners of teslas oppose lol.

 

[PrairieFella]

https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/lindt-supply-chocolate-canada-europe-sidestep-tariff-hit-2025-03-04/

Chocolate lovers and partners rejoice.

Perfect. Lindors are my favourite.

 

[brihard]

https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/lindt-supply-chocolate-canada-europe-sidestep-tariff-hit-2025-03-04/

Chocolate lovers and partners rejoice.

This is actually a really simple and clean example of how this works in practice, and the way companies will substitute supply.

 

[Furniture]

This is actually a really simple and clean example of how this works in practice, and the way companies will substitute supply.

It also highlights one key fact we keep forgetting. Canada is a small market compared to America, but on a global scale it is not a small market.

Any market of 40+ million is noteworthy, a rich country with a market of 40+ million is worth making efforts to gain or maintain access to.

 

[suffolkowner]

Almost all sources I've ever found refer to a $500 million penalty. That source doesn't clarify whether the amount was the entire payment or a final payment of a larger amount. It's possible a lesser penalty was negotiated, but that doesn't change the fact that Chretien triggered the penalty knowing that it was $500 million.

ive never found a better source than above. I remember the 500 bandied about. Perhaps it was an initial estimate in the news?

 

[Remius]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1896973702077845903

Looks like she’s all aboard now. Good to see the whole team getting along.

 

[quadrapiper]

It also highlights one key fact we keep forgetting. Canada is a small market compared to America, but on a global scale it is not a small market.

Any market of 40+ million is noteworthy, a rich country with a market of 40+ million is worth making efforts to gain or maintain access to.

And that market consciously searching for new suppliers in (likely) every sector is a unique opportunity.

 

[brihard]

Interesting (but, once I think about it, predictable) dissent to Trump’s tariffs by Kentucky Senator Rand Paul (R). If my memory is correct, he tends strongly towards libertarian approaches to economics.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1896917724410069372

https://twitter.com/x/status/1896917726360490002