2025 Federal Election - 28 Apr 25

[Maxman1]

I don't know if I trust polls are whole lot in general, but I REALLY don't think I trust polls about this election...

When I look at the crowd turnout for Pierre's rallies, the number of people attending are in the THOUSANDS!

I haven't seen that kind of crowd turn up or have the kind of optimism that the PP crowds have so far.


It's an interesting one!

And Frank Graves of Ekos polling has admitted to bias against Poilieve and manipulating his results.

 

[CBH99]

Pierre doubles down and defends controversial BC candidate

https://twitter.com/x/status/1908724848701956408

Aaron Gunn is a documentary film maker, who's documentaries have been quite good.

He covers issues of importance facing modern day Canadian society, and presents his documentaries as factual, straight to the point and with the evidence & interviews to back his work up.

I don't know how he is a controversial candidate. If people don't like what his documentaries present to the public, then they should focus that ire on the politicians that made it so - not the guy exposing it

 

[The Bread Guy]

I wasn't sure what this was about, so rather than Google it and try make sense out of all the hits, I asked GROK AI. I have yet to completely digest it, but if I understand it, Carney wants the global financial system to fall in line with his Net Zero plan.

On the face of it, I don't like China having that kind of power over global finances. I also don't like that Carney is acting as point man for this. Letting these two fuck around with global finances in the name of climate change, environmental degradation, and social inequality reeks of ruin.

Redirecting capital flows toward environmentally friendly projects—like renewable energy or carbon-neutral infrastructure—while phasing out investments in fossil fuels and other high-emission industries sounds like an awful lot of work heading towards Brookfield.

That's just my layman's take on it.

NOTE THE DATE OF THE LINK.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1906801328409424243

The Grok narrative - Mark Carney, a prominent figure in global finance and former governor of both the Bank of Canada and the Bank of England, has been a vocal advocate for transitioning the world economy toward sustainability. When he refers to a "new, global, sustainable financial system," he is likely talking about a restructured financial framework designed to address climate change, environmental degradation, and social inequality. This vision aligns with his extensive work on green finance and his role as the UN Special Envoy for Climate Action and Finance, a position he held around 2021.

This "new system" isn't a single, concrete entity with a rulebook but rather a broad push to integrate sustainability into the core of global finance. It involves redirecting capital flows toward environmentally friendly projects—like renewable energy or carbon-neutral infrastructure—while phasing out investments in fossil fuels and other high-emission industries. Carney has emphasized the need for standardized climate risk disclosures (e.g., through initiatives like the Task Force on Climate-related Financial Disclosures, which he chaired), carbon pricing, and incentives for private-sector investment in green technologies.

The mention of China being "center stage" reflects its critical role as the world’s second-largest economy, a major emitter of greenhouse gases, and a leader in renewable energy investment. For this system to work globally, China’s participation is essential—both as a market influencer and as a policy driver. Carney likely sees China’s involvement as key to setting international standards, scaling sustainable investments, and ensuring emerging economies aren’t left behind in the transition.

Interesting Grok take - thanks for sharing. What exactly did you ask? Curious to see what other AI generators have to say.

 

[CBH99]

An

Here's my totally tinfoil hat take; the liberals win, then without any kind of formal resolution/referendum, Daniel Smith announces publicly that AB is unilaterally separating from the Dominion, and lo and behold, her many meetings down in the US included getting support from the Trump administration for such a move, and US forces surge north into AB under the guise of protecting the Albertans who have been "unfairly treated by ottawa" for so long (might even throw in "ethnically American people of Alberta").

And people call ME the conspiracy theorist of the forum when all I do is point out relevant & variable FACTS about certain topics...

Danielle Smith isn't about to just randomly, unilaterally announce Alberta is separating.

She'll do the exact same thing she did in regards to Alberta's contributions to the CPP - she'll throw the idea out there, host a bunch of town halls across the province to hear people's feedback on the idea, host a few call-ins from the public, and determine whether or not to pursue the idea further based on those townhalls & public call-ins.

(To her credit, she's presented these matters to the public in a very democratic way. She's allowed for real public feedback - not just the odd poll - in determining whether to pursue certain ideas or not. Which I think is appreciated, rather than the standard "Thanks for voting me in, now I don't want to hear from any of you for the next few years!" that we usually get from politicians)

 

[Jarnhamar]

Given that Canada’s history is linked to Europe, the UK etc.

Colonizers who enslaved and murdered their way across the globe?

Kidding, but if history IS so important maybe we should stop destroying statues and canceling stuff.

Pretty sure he had British citizenship didn’t he?

He did. And he considers himself European. Might be a bias. Might be foreshadowing.

Who is calling for us to join the EU?

Today? People on social media, similar to people calling for us to join the US.

Politicians? I haven't heard any yet - it's hardly beyond the realm of possibility that Trump fear mongering leads to that discussion.

And yeah, it’s major trading and economic block, so we should increase that and encourage it. CETA is a good agreement and should be improved upon.

I'm not against increasing or improving trading. I questioned if we want to look more like Europe, geared more toward the cultural sense.

What? Do we have any agreements that state that? If it’s skilled types that we need, then why not?

No statements yet.

1. You pointed out we need to send money (aid) to other countries to help develop them, support them, and so they don't become problems (words to that effect).

Canada taking doctors and other skilled types away from other countries is hardly going to help improve those countries. It's robbing them of their ability to improve themselves.

2. That said, sure bring skilled types.

However, the 2023 EU Pact on Migration and Asylum, where countries had to "share the load" that Poland was famous for rejecting, wasn't sending skilled migrants around.

I'd rather not see Canada convinced to take unskilled migrants and asylum seekers to show off to our European trading partners.

I want to make sure we are talking about the same thing. And what did any of that have to do with taking a leadership role in creating new trade blocks?

Trade away. I don't want Canada to begin to look like the UK, Germany, France et el culturally or socially.

 

[Remius]

No offense and with respect you are all over the map here. I’ll try and address a few things.

Colonizers who enslaved and murdered their way across the globe?

Kidding, but if history IS so important maybe we should stop destroying statues and canceling stuff.

Not sure what you are on about when talking about trade with Europe. And sure.

It is t just history. It’s similar values, systems, etc. If you are isolationist and ant8 trade I get it. If you want more trade then this should be one of largest trading blocks.

He did. And he considers himself European. Might be a bias. Might be foreshadowing.

Might be paranoia and propaganda by his detractors.

Today? People on social media, similar to people calling for us to join the US.

Ah right. Social media…. both those things are ridiculous non starters. If it worries you I would suggest you take a look at the actual mechanics of what both mean and how it would be nearly impossible.

Politicians? I haven't heard any yet - it's hardly beyond the realm of possibility that Trump fear mongering leads to that discussion.

See above. Trading block (like CETA), defense (like NATO). The rest is noise.

I'm not against increasing or improving trading. I questioned if we want to look more like Europe, geared more toward the cultural sense.

What would be your preference? I’m pretty sure your answer will be “Canadian”. Great, I agree. But if you look at what it is to be canadian you’ll find a pile of things linked to Europe, the Uk, France etc etc.

No statements yet.

Correct.

1. You pointed out we need to send money (aid) to other countries to help develop them, support them, and so they don't become problems (words to that effect).

Yes.

Canada taking doctors and other skilled types away from other countries is hardly going to help improve those countries. It's robbing them of their ability to improve themselves.

This isn’t about stealing doctors from poor countries etc. It’s about attracting talent from peer nations that can actually get their accreditation. I mentioned and posted a link to a story about how plenty of US doctors are looking North.

2. That said, sure bring skilled types.

Contradicting yourself here given your aversion to asylum seekers and unskilled migrants and that some trade agreement might include that.

However, the 2023 EU Pact on Migration and Asylum, where countries had to "share the load" that Poland was famous for rejecting, wasn't sending skilled migrants around.

Ok? Again a bit all over the map. Not sure what this has to do with what we are discussing.

I'd rather not see Canada convinced to take unskilled migrants and asylum seekers to show off to our European trading partners.

Ah so you would forgo trace on an unfounded fear?

Trade away. I don't want Canada to begin to look like the UK, Germany, France et el culturally or socially.

You mixing up what looks like anti immigration sentiment with trade and that we will somehow start looking like the UK or France? I suspect you have travelled to a FW places in Canada. Hate to break to you but a lot of Canada looks, speaks and acts a lot like those places. It’s a feature of the western world when you have free movement of people.

My guess though is what you are really saying is you don’t want the immigration problems the EU has and what they are bringing in.

I have no idea why you think increased trade will do that.

 

[Maxman1]

Pretty sure he had British citizenship didn’t he?

And Irish citizenship. And he currently still has both, he announced he'll only give them up if he wins.

 

[Lumber]

An

And people call ME the conspiracy theorist of the forum when all I do is point out relevant & variable FACTS about certain topics...

Danielle Smith isn't about to just randomly, unilaterally announce Alberta is separating.

She'll do the exact same thing she did in regards to Alberta's contributions to the CPP - she'll throw the idea out there, host a bunch of town halls across the province to hear people's feedback on the idea, host a few call-ins from the public, and determine whether or not to pursue the idea further based on those townhalls & public call-ins.

(To her credit, she's presented these matters to the public in a very democratic way. She's allowed for real public feedback - not just the odd poll - in determining whether to pursue certain ideas or not. Which I think is appreciated, rather than the standard "Thanks for voting me in, now I don't want to hear from any of you for the next few years!" that we usually get from politicians)

Just to be clear, by tin foil hat I meant completely made up fantasy level alternate history "what if", not something I actually think is what's going on... so far...

 

[Lumber]

I think as a country we run the risk of missing the forest through the trees with this election, and I do believe this will be one of the most important elections in any of our lifetimes...

Dude, I love the effort and eloquence and heart you put into your posts (even if I don't agree with most of it, as you know), but could you maybe cut them down in half so I don't have to have your post open on three browsers over both my monitors just so I can copy and paste the relevant sections?

Anyways, here's what I'll tackle:

On the one hand, we have the party that for the last 10 years has destroyed the very fabric of our country & destroyed a lot of the trust we once had in our national institutions.

Disagree entirely on the first part (fabric of our nation). Maybe I'm blessed, but when I walk around and vacation and meet people and interact with people etc, etc, the "Canada" I see feels the exact same as it did 10 years ago, albeit more expensive. On the second part, I likely partially agree, but I'm not exactly sure what institutions you feel like Canadians have lost faith in (other than the government itself).

They've destroyed our international credibility.

80%. Significantly damaged? Yes. Destroyed? Not entirely.

Not to mention the 2 tier justice system they fly in our faces on a regular basis. (If one wants to go super dark with this, think of it as they basically advertise this to be the case)

Is this as swipe at the treatment of the convoy protests vs other protests? Scale and scope my friend, scale and scope. They are not apples to apples.

But for the last 10 years, the LPC has shown their policies to be ineffective, quite often in opposition to what the population wants, and quite often detrimental to the country.

Perhaps this is a result of the company you keep, but I know a lot of people for whom the liberal policies are exactly what they wanted, and in some cases haven't gone far enough. (Gun control, climate action, etc). A lot of it was known in advance would be detrimental to the country, but it was supposed to be short term and marginal. COVID and the post-COVID inflation destroyed any hope of that, and the Liberals fumbled by not pivoting or at least adjusting their implementation plan, and fucked the country by going full steam ahead instead.

And for those crossing their fingers and hoping that Carney will be more centrist than Trudeau - why would Trudeau's main advisor be any different than the guy he was advising??

Last one. Carney was an informal advisor. He wasn't a key staffer, or a member of cabinet, or a member of the PMO. We don't know the full scope of how he "advised" Trudeau, but it sure doesn't look like he was driving the bus of economic policy. It sounds more like Trudeau had an idea and he would call up Carney and say "what do you think?", or "how can we better make these numbers work", and from everything I've seen from Trudeau (and certainly based on what people have said here), if Carney's answer was "don't do that" or "you can't make that work properly", Trudeau would have said "thank you" and then carried on anyways.

With Carney at the helm, I firmly believe it will not be Trudeau 2.0. Yes, many of the policies and overall aim will be similar, but it's still the Liberal Party after all. I'm prepared to be wrong, however.

 

[lenaitch]

how’s that working for you Puerto Rico?

Or even DC. No voting rights for Congress; Prez and VP only.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Not sure what you are on about when talking about trade with Europe. And sure.

I understand your confusion. I wasnt super clear in my original post about not like Europe. I'm spekaing generally.

It is t just history. It’s similar values, systems, etc. If you are isolationist and ant8 trade I get it. If you want more trade then this should be one of largest trading blocks.

It's not "just history" though. History has been weaponzied for the last 10 years by progresives in Canada.

Do I really care about it? No not at all. Our history out of Europe means as much as our history out of Africa. I care about today.
When you look at polls the majority of Canadians appear disinterested in out history in so far as the monarchy goes and want to move away from it. Europeans have killed a lot more Canadians than Americans have.

Might be paranoia and propaganda by his detractors.

Pragmatism. Just something I personally see as a possibility. Especially with his ominous declaration about using emergency powers.

Ah right. Social media…. both those things are ridiculous non starters. If it worries you I would suggest you take a look at the actual mechanics of what both mean and how it would be nearly impossible.

Enough people seem worried the US is going to invade us. A few years ago that was a laughably implausible.

If Trump has taught us anything it's that powerful people don't give a shit about laws and rules - for good reason.

What would be your preference? I’m pretty sure your answer will be “Canadian”. Great, I agree. But if you look at what it is to be canadian you’ll find a pile of things linked to Europe, the Uk, France etc etc.

Canadians live in the shadow of the US. Trudeau described us as "not American". We don't need to move out from their shadow into Europe's. We need to be more autonomous with who we see ourselves as.

This isn’t about stealing doctors from poor countries etc. It’s about attracting talent from peer nations that can actually get their accreditation.

Contradicting yourself here given your aversion to asylum seekers and unskilled migrants and that some trade agreement might include that.

In theory we would attracted skilled workers. In practice I'd be afraid of it looking more like Europes migrant problem.

Ok? Again a bit all over the map. Not sure what this has to do with what we are discussing.

This comes back to the concerns about putting ourselves in a position where Europe tries to solve their migrant problem by shipping them to Canada. I can see the Liberal party agreeing to resettle 2 million migrants in exchange for whatever fancy trade deal they dream up.

Ah so you would forgo trace on an unfounded fear?

Do you mean trade? If so you should pause and reread my posts. I've said multiple times trade is good.

You mixing up what looks like anti immigration sentiment with trade and that we will somehow start looking like the UK or France?

I think you're operating under the assumption I was specifically looking at trade from the start.

There's a number of reasons I'd rather not see Canada look like what Europe's become.

I suspect you have travelled to a FW places in Canada. Hate to break to you but a lot of Canada looks, speaks and acts a lot like those places.

I know, I see it in the news all the time.

My guess though is what you are really saying is you don’t want the immigration problems the EU has and what they are bringing in.

There we go. Messed up laws and immigration problems Europe has is something I want to avoid. It happening is a stretch but I don't want to see any sort of immigration mixed with trade deals

I have no idea why you think increased trade will do that.

Do you think there is even a 1% change the EU could offer some kind of trade deal in exchange for helping alleviate some of their migration strain?

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Carney says he's European.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1879197476890284195

 

[Fishbone Jones]

And Frank Graves of Ekos polling has admitted to bias against Poilieve and manipulating his results.

I've said all along, people that get a half million to do a poll for some entity, will give the results asked for by the customer. Like any business, you keep the customer happy or you stop getting those half million dollars jobs. You want to show liberals leading? You pull out your book of liberal riding association members, in the GTA and phone them. Bingo, liberals lead. And you have another half million poll being contracted for.

Only one poll is accurate and counts and nobody gets paid for that one. That one will be out late in the evening of the 28th of April.

 

[Remius]

I understand your confusion. I wasnt super clear in my original post about not like Europe. I'm spekaing generally.

Oh it’s confusing because you are all over the map again. Take a look at the original statement I made the rabbit holes you’ve gone down.

It's not "just history" though. History has been weaponzied for the last 10 years by progresives in Canada.

I actually said it isn’t just history. Again, what does that grievance have to do with trade?

Do I really care about it? No not at all. Our history out of Europe means as much as our history out of Africa.

Wow. This explains a lot…

I care about today.

I am sure you do, but you bring up a lot of past grievance it would seem.

When you look at polls the majority of Canadians appear disinterested in out history in so far as the monarchy goes and want to move away from it. Europeans have killed a lot more Canadians than Americans have.

You said you don’t care about history. Tell me, what are the numbers you are using for that? As far as history and monarchy goes? And what the hell does your last statement have to do with trade?

Pragmatism. Just something I personally see as a possibility. Especially with his ominous declaration about using emergency powers.

Ah insecurities…

Enough people seem worried the US is going to invade us. A few years ago that was a laughably implausible.

Does it worry you? Invade? Really, that’s the reason you are using to justify an irrational belief we’ll join the EU?

If Trump has taught us anything it's that powerful people don't give a shit about laws and rules - for good reason.

Yes. But you yourself said you were a Trump soft supporter knowing this. Again, what the heck does that have to do with trade with Europe?

Canadians live in the shadow of the US. Trudeau described us as "not American". We don't need to move out from their shadow into Europe's. We need to be more autonomous with who we see ourselves as.

Isolationism is not the answer. Not sure what you are on about. Seriously you are just throwing whatever grievances you have for not much more than to argue.

In theory we would attracted skilled workers. In practice I'd be afraid of it looking more like Europes migrant problem.

Fear is one hell of a drug.

This comes back to the concerns about putting ourselves in a position where Europe tries to solve their migrant problem by shipping them to Canada. I can see the Liberal party agreeing to resettle 2 million migrants in exchange for whatever fancy trade deal they dream up.

I can’t help you with something that isn’t happening or happened in any trade deal we have. Happy to be proven wrong. Most trade deals with immigration clauses is about stemming it.

Do you mean trade? If so you should pause and reread my posts. I've said multiple times trade is good.

And you added a whole pile of worries about it that have nothing to do with it.

I think you're operating under the assumption I was specifically looking at trade from the start.

Given that discussion was about trade with Europe yes. Then you went culture war in a weird direction.

There's a number of reasons I'd rather not see Canada look like what Europe's become.

Ok. What it’s become…we’re arguing different things here .

I know, I see it in the news all the time.

Beautiful places in this country that are very much European influenced. If you ever make it to an Ottawa our parliament really looks British for example. Lots of statues that haven’t been torn down either. If food is your thing try the Granary in Eganville. The schnitzel is quite good. call ahead though. Glad the news covers a lot of that stuff.

There we go. Messed up laws and immigration problems Europe has is something I want to avoid. It happening is a stretch but I don't want to see any sort of immigration mixed with trade deals

Pretty sure you’ll be fine in that regard.

Do you think there is even a 1% change the EU could offer some kind of trade deal in exchange for helping alleviate some of their migration strain?

Nope. If Liberals want to bring in more migrants they don’t really need trade agreement to do that.

 

[Remius]

Only one poll is accurate and counts and nobody gets paid for that one. That one will be out late in the evening of the 28th of April.

I’m sure we’ll have our share of election deniers if the results don’t go their way.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Wow. This explains a lot…

Excellent.
Canadians in 2025 don't owe anything to the UK, Europe, or Africa (in the sense that's where we all came from)

Given that discussion was about trade with Europe yes. Then you went culture war in a weird direction.

Ok. What it’s become…we’re arguing different things here .

Right and right.

I'll summerize. Trading more with Europe and being less dependent on th US is great.

Carney sees himself as European. If he wins the election I hope he doesn't use increased trade (and other partnerships) with Europe as a way to make us more like them.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Daily poll.

Liberals’ lead over Conservatives narrows further as ‘more of a horse race emerges’: Nanos tracking​

 

[ModlrMike]

As long as the BQ continues to drag their asses, the Libs pretty much have a free pass. Again.. they NEED to take Quebec to win.

 

[The Bread Guy]

As long as the BQ and the NDP continues to drag their asses, the Libs pretty much have a free pass. Again.. they NEED to take Quebec to win.

If the NDP was doing better across the country overall, I agree with political touts who say there'd be a LOT less space between the Red and Blue teams.

Just to be clear, by tin foil hat I meant completely made up fantasy level alternate history "what if", not something I actually think is what's going on... so far...

Gotta be careful with that devil's advocacy, bud - fooled ME elsewhere, too

 

[MilEME09]

Carney says he's European.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1879197476890284195

and? by haritage him and most canadian are, look at the full context of the interview and youll see how this is once again noithing