2025 Federal Election - 28 Apr 25

[brihard]

There are more effective ways then invoking the NWC to get things done. Especially given many cases getbsuspended sentences because our prisons are full, we have a shortage of judges and prosecutors. So deals are struct to get things going faster. Criminal justice reform can't be solved with one new law, we need federal and provincial cooperation to achieve results.

Right. All the things I said this morning, to start with.

(EDIT- that you hit ‘like’ on literally as I typed this, lol)

 

[daftandbarmy]

Meanwhile, at the rink

https://twitter.com/x/status/1912516811310108818

 

[PuckChaser]

Pretty poor performance for Singh in the French debate. He was unable to clearly show why he was any different and I think he's basically destroyed his party by trying to wait out the pension date. Carney has functional french but really stumbled with complex answers and clearly is unwilling to provide a clear and definitive answer to basically every controversial issue in Quebec. I would have liked Pollievre to hit Blanchet and Singh with their persistent support of the last 4 years of failed policies, but he selected and maintained aim on Carney well, which is not surprising as his forte is debating.

Voici le lien du debat en Francais si quelq'un parle la belle langue:

 

[ModlrMike]

Perhaps the strategy was to not damage the NDP or the Bloc too much. I think that the Torries are probably at their ceiling, and then need to direct some of the Liberal support back to the NDP and Bloc. In short, a resurgent 3rd and 4th place is good for team blue.

 

[HavokFour]

Pretty poor performance for Singh in the French debate. He was unable to clearly show why he was any different and I think he's basically destroyed his party by trying to wait out the pension date. Carney has functional french but really stumbled with complex answers and clearly is unwilling to provide a clear and definitive answer to basically every controversial issue in Quebec. I would have liked Pollievre to hit Blanchet and Singh with their persistent support of the last 4 years of failed policies, but he selected and maintained aim on Carney well, which is not surprising as his forte is debating.

Voici le lien du debat en Francais si quelq'un parle la belle langue:

Blanchet is unsurprisingly the winner, but the Rebel people stole the show. Made absolute fools of themselves tonight.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Given that he overdosed and died, his risk of recidivism is probably low.

Touchet!

 

[brihard]

Pretty poor performance for Singh in the French debate. He was unable to clearly show why he was any different and I think he's basically destroyed his party by trying to wait out the pension date. Carney has functional french but really stumbled with complex answers and clearly is unwilling to provide a clear and definitive answer to basically every controversial issue in Quebec. I would have liked Pollievre to hit Blanchet and Singh with their persistent support of the last 4 years of failed policies, but he selected and maintained aim on Carney well, which is not surprising as his forte is debating.

Voici le lien du debat en Francais si quelq'un parle la belle langue:

On the contrary, increased support for the Bloc and NDP are exactly what Poilievre needs. CPC support right now is quite high in historical terms. The LPC’s surge is largely at the NDP and Bloc’s expense. The COC stand to gain from NDP/BQ splitting the vote away from LPC in various ridings and leaving room for CPC to come up the middle.

 

[Brad Sallows]

BQ only runs in QC. LPC pretty much can't win a majority without a big win in QC. CPC typically wins very few seats in QC.

A strong BQ performance damages the LPC a lot more than the CPC.

 

[Brad Sallows]

The prescriptions for "fixing" trial-and-custody have been repeated in many places for a couple of decades. The LPC has had 10 years to do whatever they might to make a federal contribution to a solution, if they wanted to. I suppose they don't want to. It's probably a waste of time to check the box for a LPC candidate if the criminal justice revolving door is your top issue.

 

[brihard]

The prescriptions for "fixing" trial-and-custody have been repeated in many places for a couple of decades. The LPC has had 10 years to do whatever they might to make a federal contribution to a solution, if they wanted to. I suppose they don't want to. It's probably a waste of time to check the box for a LPC candidate if the criminal justice revolving door is your top issue.

Yes. Also it’s an issue where the population tends to be more noisy at the federal level, while failing to realize that most of the practical things to be done are completely a provincial mandate save for holding out their hands for money.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Yes. Also it’s an issue where the population tends to be more noisy at the federal level, while failing to realize that most of the practical things to be done are completely a provincial mandate save for holding out their hands for money.

Bail reform would be federal though?

 

[brihard]

Bail reform would be federal though?

Yeah, but the issue isn’t really with the existing laws.Remand coikd be much more frequent and bail more restrictive with the laws as they are. The conditions in provincial jails are pretty terrible, and this results in more accused being released on bail due to shitty detention conditions.

Another consideration that’s overlooked is that the shortage of crowns, judges, and courts leads to much more aggressive plea bargaining by crowns to avoid matters hitting the Jordan limit and getting stayed entirely. That in turns mean that when someone reoffends later, subsequent bail and sentencing decisions are both assessed based on a thinner criminal record, because what they were originally charged with in prior matters doesn’t really matter compared to what they were convicted of.

All of this also causes the serious delays in the justice system. A totally routine and straightforward matter charged summarily, taken to trial, will still almost invariably run more than a year before trial. That delays closure for victims, delays sentences, delays consequential immigration proceedings, all of that.

Justice that is more swift and more consequential would also likely be more preventative and deterrent, so we could expect that to shift the trajectory of offending over the longer term.

The courts need major capacity increases, and that’s almost entirely provincial.

 

[YZT580]

I think a Conservative government could achieve the same end by making the criteria for dangerous offender more robust. They can require that multiple murders create a prima facie case that mandates continuous incarceration.

These are the current criteria:

The court may declare an offender a “dangerous offender” where:

1. the offender is convicted of a serious personal injury offender and constitutes an ongoing threat on the basis of:
   1. a “repetitive behavior” showing a failure of restraint and “likelihood” of causing injury or worse
   2. a “pattern of persistent aggressive behaviour” that shows “a substantial degree of indifference” to the “reasonably foreseeable consequences” of his behaviour; or
   3. in the “brutal nature” of the offence, the offender is not likely to be inhibited by the normal standards of behavioral constraints” or
2. the offence is a serous personal injury offence and “has shown a failure to control his or her sexual impulses and a likelihood of causing injury”.

It should be relatively easy to argue that a multiple murder has already met all the criteria.

Until you can remove the word may nothing will change. Our current judges are locked in for decades. Perhaps putting the onus on the defense to prove why life shouldn't mean life might help such as in such cases the judge shall rule for the maximum sentence unless serious extenuating circumstances exist. or something like that

 

[OldSolduer]

Given that he overdosed and died, his risk of recidivism is probably low.

He did and saved the taxpayer alot of $$.

Having said that some judges with intestinal fortitude might help. And the SCOC should be told to stay in their lanes as well.

I am all for using the NWC to incarcerate people that murder others repeatedly - serial killers and mass murderers.

 

[brihard]

I am all for using the NWC to incarcerate people that murder others repeatedly - serial killers and mass murderers.

They already are, at least the ones who aren’t dead. Which serial/mass murderers have been convicted and aren’t in prison?

Like I said, parole for repeat murderers is a made up problem. It’s not real.

 

[OldSolduer]

They already are, at least the ones who aren’t dead. Which serial/mass murderers have been convicted and aren’t in prison?

Like I said, parole for repeat murderers is a made up problem. It’s not real.

Missing my point. The ability to apply for parole eligibility is still 25 years. Consecutivel sentencing is imo more appropriate than concurrent.
We need to think of the victims and their families.

 

[RangerRay]

Parties are ignoring foreign interference because they benefit from it. They only bring it up if they can accuse the other party of benefiting from it.

Marcus Kolga: Our parties need to stop playing along with hostile regimes

Canada’s political parties are, with alarming ease, abandoning and betraying democratic principles in pursuit of short-term electoral gain.

www.readtheline.ca

 

[MilEME09]

Missing my point. The ability to apply for parole eligibility is still 25 years. Consecutivel sentencing is imo more appropriate than concurrent.
We need to think of the victims and their families.

Okay so you get 2 life sentences with parole at 25 years. Until you deal with parole eligibility, the number you stack on doesn't matter, and unless invoking the nwc will need to survive s court challenge

 

[Halifax Tar]

Blanchet is unsurprisingly the winner, but the Rebel people stole the show. Made absolute fools of themselves tonight.

What did Ezra and his merry band of fools do this time ?

 

[Remius]

Carney sauve la mise

Les chefs libéral, conservateur, bloquiste et néo-démocrate ont croisé le fer en français mercredi soir. Notre chef du bureau politique résume ses notes.

lactualite.com

L’actualité says Carney essentially came out on top by not screwing anything up.