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2025 Federal Election - 28 Apr 25

Disagree. The LPC has attracted NDP, Bloc and disaffected conservatives and brought back liberals that weren’t likely staying home. Whether it’s the same party remains to be seen. The LPC has quite quite adept at recreating itself
Them Bloc supporters are probably going to back to Bloc. Yves did very well in the debate en Francais. And he hit the very Quebec specific issues (outside Montreal).

Jagmeet its going to be interesting. Has he harped enough on the 'corporate" side of Carney to win back a few voters? Has highlighted the "tax havens" enough to win back the die hard dippers? Lets see.

I still say Pierre is going to win. I am unfortunately thinking he will only have a minority government. There is one more week and if the CBC can say "Trump" enough times while looking in a mirror or if the Orange Baboon forgets his meds one day and says something stupid, then maybe, just maybe enough of the Bomer crowd will scurry back to the false pretense of Safety under Carney. In that case, its a Carney minority.

I am glad the debates told May and the greens to piss off. They need to go away, they are so irrelevant. I say that having voted for Green in '11 and '15.
 
On defence, I say this with sadness having lost faith the Canadian population support for our military.

NOBODY gives a fuck about DND and the CAF until they absolutely need us or election time. In serving the CAF from 1990-2018, the closet I saw to giving half a damn was Harper buying us Globemasters, Chinooks. M777s, mostly for Afghanistan.

As far as who gives a shit in this election I see it like this
-I think the CPC and LPC have the same priority on defence spending (They both speak a lot of words because suddenly the "elbows up" crowd wants a strong military)
-However both will reduce defence promises to a kiss off the minute they need the money for something more important
-This all changes if some unforeseen event erupts and the government really badly needs us. and as soon as the emergency is over, screw the military

-The NDP? Yeah lets not even go there. They have ZERO defence plan except to maybe unionize the CAF

-The Bloc? (The most honest political party out there) wants a really strong QUEBEC ARMED FORCES once they seperate, lets be honest.
 
That did way more damage than you realize.
Curious to see your metrics on that. I am sure it looked like a haymaker to the CPC base. Did it or will it have an impact on the 62% of other Canadians? At least the ones that watched?

I thought it was good moment for PP. certainly not enough though for me to change my thoughts on why I didn’t vote his way.

Right now it will come down to whether or not NDP and Bloc get cold feet.
 
Them Bloc supporters are probably going to back to Bloc. Yves did very well in the debate en Francais. And he hit the very Quebec specific issues (outside Montreal).
Possible. That is the current risk to the LPC. To be honest Blanchette only did well because he had the language advantage. I didn’t find him particularly spectacular in that debate. He was more effective in the English debate communicating the Quebec issues in my opinion but that was tempered by some of his tangents.
Jagmeet its going to be interesting. Has he harped enough on the 'corporate" side of Carney to win back a few voters? Has highlighted the "tax havens" enough to win back the die hard dippers? Lets see.
Depends on how worried the NDP supportes are about a CPC win in this current climate. Singh seemed to take any opportunity to correct or attack PP in equal measure. Singh wants another LPC minority.
I still say Pierre is going to win. I am unfortunately thinking he will only have a minority government. There is one more week and if the CBC can say "Trump" enough times while looking in a mirror or if the Orange Baboon forgets his meds one day and says something stupid, then maybe, just maybe enough of the Bomer crowd will scurry back to the false pretense of Safety under Carney. In that case, it’s a Carney minority.
I take nothing for granted and have said the best the LPC can do his hold the CPC to a minority. But things are shifting that an LPC win could certainly happen. I personally think the LPC soft support could shift back to their sources with last minute cold feet but we’ll see.
I am glad the debates told May and the greens to piss off. They need to go away, they are so irrelevant. I say that having voted for Green in '11 and '15.
I really don’t care about them. But the consortium screwed up how to handle both debates which were excellent formats and great hosts. But the green debacle and Rebel News fiasco showed that they have no idea what they are doing and I suspect that those two things became the real stories of the debate and not the actual substances of them.
 
On defence, I say this with sadness having lost faith the Canadian population support for our military.

NOBODY gives a fuck about DND and the CAF until they absolutely need us or election time. In serving the CAF from 1990-2018, the closet I saw to giving half a damn was Harper buying us Globemasters, Chinooks. M777s, mostly for Afghanistan.

As far as who gives a shit in this election I see it like this
-I think the CPC and LPC have the same priority on defence spending (They both speak a lot of words because suddenly the "elbows up" crowd wants a strong military)
-However both will reduce defence promises to a kiss off the minute they need the money for something more important
-This all changes if some unforeseen event erupts and the government really badly needs us. and as soon as the emergency is over, screw the military

-The NDP? Yeah lets not even go there. They have ZERO defence plan except to maybe unionize the CAF

-The Bloc? (The most honest political party out there) wants a really strong QUEBEC ARMED FORCES once they seperate, lets be honest.
The general public really has no clue what our conditions are. They are fed mythos of great Canadian deeds from the past and believe they still apply to the present.

I don’t think any political party is particularly serious right now. Talking about tax cuts in the middle of a 60+ billion dollar deficit is asinine.
 
no but we do have homeless camps, people dying in the streets from cold, entire neighbourhoods where small businesses are going bust due to petty theft, vandalism, and break ins such as parts of Victoria, Edmonton, Toronto of course, Winnipeg. Are you sure that society has really evolved for the better? We should maybe examine are improvements in the light of recent history and change back the bad choices we made and that requires a method of making the courts answerable to the law and not crafting it to suit themselves
Part of that boils down to expecting the justice system to solve social ills. As was raised upthread, solving infrastructure and capacity problems in the court system would go a long way to making it more responsive. About 70% of the Ontario correctional system population is on remand - not sentenced according to the Auditor-General (year u/k). The response to the Jordan ruling has been lackluster but imagine where we would be without it.

As well, improving the economy would help diminish property crime and homelessness. The background and motivation for so-called petty crime like theft is much different than serious crime like murder. Tossing somebody in jail for long sentences simply because they were caught stealing for the third went out the window in most democratic countries about a century ago. Sure, it stops that person from stealing but you haven't created a society where there aren't 10 more to take their place. They cut their hands off in some countries but poor people still steal.

I am convinced a lot of the homelessness (and attendant crime) is a result of drug addiction. It will be interesting to see how Alberta's new 'involuntary treatment' law fares. No doubt some civil liberties advocate is already writing their brief.

I can't answer on society's behalf. In some aspects, we are better off in terms of life expectancy, health, etc. but poverty isn't a new thing. Old photos of Toronto and no doubt other cities from a century + ago show shanty towns, uneducated orphans, etc.

The activism of the Court ebbs and flows with the bench composition. There have been times when it unashamedly 'interpreted' laws - 'this is what we think they meant to say'. I'm not sure how true that is currently. The accepted principle in Canada is that the Charter is a 'living document'. In almost 250 years, that is not a settled concept in the US. Certainly, Charter matters such as 'cruel and unusual' and 'reasonable expectation' are principles or concepts that get applied to substantive laws. I suppose they could craft a law that defines what 'cruel and unusual' means, but them it would have to be stripped from the Charter (therefore no longer a protected freedom) and subject to revision by subsequent governments.

I guess if the solution was easy, someone smarter than I would have already thought of it.
 
You're seriously trying to tie Poliviere's estimate to 2% with the callous, uncaring disregard for Canada's warriors VAC claims by trudeau?

Would you rather Poliviere lie to appease the audience, making decisions without due regard for true nature of our finances?
One man’s “don’t promise what we can’t reasonably deliver” is another man’s “obviously not a priority” no matter what the issue - all in the ear of the beholder.
 
A reminder to all; advance polling began today and continues until Monday.

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A reminder to all; advance polling began today and continues until Monday.

Vote on advance polling days​

Vote at your assigned polling station from 9 a.m. to 9 p.m. on:
  • Friday, April 18
  • Saturday, April 19
  • Sunday, April 20, or
  • Monday, April 21
Learn the difference between advance voting in federal and provincial elections.

To find your advance polling station, check your voter information card or use our Voter Information Service.

Usual peak voting times on advance polling days.
And it seems there are long waits at the advance polls.
 
And it seems there are long waits at the advance polls.

I was one of the many, the lines were indeed very long and the busiest I've ever seen for an advance poll. Maybe making election days a public holiday isn't such a bad idea.

EDIT: It took about a half hour to get to the front of the line where I'm at.
 
What did they win the last two elections with? What was the percentage? I can assure you it wasn’t a majority of Canadians. Those stats are published and easy to find.

Disagree. The LPC has attracted NDP, Bloc and disaffected conservatives and brought back liberals that weren’t likely staying home. Whether it’s the same party remains to be seen. The LPC has quite quite adept at recreating itself

PP and the CPC could have attracted a good chunk of that but chose not to.

One can hope that maybe Blanchette and Singh while maybe steal some back or that some will get cold feet come voting day which is quite possible.

Many factors at play here.

I wouldn’t mind if after this election the CPC give themselves the badly needed enema. I know CPC snatching defeat from the jaws of victory is a long running joke, but if they do actually manage to blow this, that’s just absurd and speaks to really fundamental dysfunction in the party.

There are all kinds of calm, mature, competent people in the CPC. If after this they end up having to prepare to try again in a few years, hopefully they can pick someone better to do better.
And it seems there are long waits at the advance polls.
I was in and out of ours in about ten minutes. Steady line, but it was well staffed.
 
I wouldn’t mind if after this election the CPC give themselves the badly needed enema. I know CPC snatching defeat from the jaws of victory is a long running joke, but if they do actually manage to blow this, that’s just absurd and speaks to really fundamental dysfunction in the party.
Robert Fife mused on this. What if PP had brought back Charest and others into the fold. What would that have looked like in QC? Or if he had worked with Ford instead on distrusting him. Or if he started looking like a PM in waiting months ago instead of a day ago?
There are all kinds of calm, mature, competent people in the CPC. If after this they end up having to prepare to try again in a few years, hopefully they can pick someone better to do better.
I’m convinced we’d be in a different race with O’Toole, Mackay, Ambrose etc etc.
I was in and out of ours in about ten minutes. Steady line, but it was well staffed.
I’ve never had issues here.

Voted a couple of weeks ago at the return office. No line up and no issues.
 
Poilievre needs a major scandal and he needs it now. A lot of people will vote this long weekend.

How many more Liberal candidates/MPs tied to CCP influence campaigns and now secret police stations before the Teflon wears off and we start to understand how deep CCP influence in the Liberal Party of Cabada goes?

 
I wouldn’t mind if after this election the CPC give themselves the badly needed enema.
@Remius

Perhaps pedantry- but I think an enema is the wrong perspective to take. I agree wholeheartedly with the general thought process of your last exchange, but the knife of "conservative's need to build a tent" cuts both ways. To me an enema suggests rejecting the PP/ Reform/ Populist wing to do their own thing- which splinters the party, leads to a regional PPC type party seizing a bunch of Prairie seats, vote spliting in Ontario, a continued LPC hegemony, etc etc.

If Carney wins this the CPC doesn't need an enema, it needs the PP/Reform/ Populist wing to grow up, realize that they're on the outside of the Canadian Overton window, aren't going to form government (and are an electoral drag on the CPC) and adopt the "politics as transit- pick the best viable option going in your general desired direction" approach and throw their weight wholeheartedly behind a Chong/ Ambrose / Kherreidin. In the post Harper era we've done Reformer trying to sell to PC's, we've done PC trying to sell to Reform, and now we're on unabashed Reform telling PC's to get on board or piss off. If the CPC goes 0/3 there's a common thread there, and it's time for option 4.

I'm starting to get scared about the result of a Carney win. Even if he is the blue grit he's selling himself as (which we should all be praying he is) The Byrne/ Poilievre info machine have their hooks sunk deep in a material portion of the CPC base. That plus the blackhats/ UCP hardliners.... If a loss brings petulance rather than strategic statesmanship the country is in for a rough ride.
 
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How many more Liberal candidates/MPs tied to CCP influence campaigns and now secret police stations before the Teflon wears off and we start to understand how deep CCP influence in the Liberal Party of Cabada goes?

If they haven't figured out that Beijing plays a tangible role/influence on the LPC in its current form, I dont think they ever will...

The tale of the 2 Michaels was smoking gun evidence of just how close the regime in Beijing was to our own Trudeau - and Carney is far closer in his ties to them. (Hence his refusal to take Paul Chiang out of the race, and his recent appointment as someone else who's also connected with the CCP)
 
A reminder to all; advance polling began today and continues until Monday.

Vote on advance polling days​

Vote at your assigned polling station from 9 a.m. to 9 p.m. on:
  • Friday, April 18
  • Saturday, April 19
  • Sunday, April 20, or
  • Monday, April 21
Learn the difference between advance voting in federal and provincial elections.

To find your advance polling station, check your voter information card or use our Voter Information Service.

Usual peak voting times on advance polling days.

My in-laws spent 2 hours in line to vote today. I hope this leads a big turn out.
 
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