Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[Remius]

There's a strong arrogance in central Canada about promoting diversity, while it's Western Canada that elects the Nenshis, Kinews, Gondeks and Sohis.

I live in Ottawa where the mayor is a consistently beige white guy owned by real estate developers.

There have been a number of women though. Not recently though.

 

[Quirky]

There's a strong arrogance in central Canada about promoting diversity, while it's Western Canada that elects the Nenshis, Kinews, Gondeks and Sohis.

I live in Ottawa where the mayor is a consistently beige white guy owned by real estate developers.

They vote for more housing and immigration.....just so long it's not in their neighborhoods.

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Probably similar sentiments across Liberal ridings.

 

[brihard]

It's been several decades since I drove that portion of MB so looked quick on Google. Looks like a small area of ~ 10 miles on the far east side of the province outstanding....also where the Canadian Sheild appears to start.

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Yeah, I drove it a couple years ago. But he wouldn’t be writing to the PM to push for 20km of highway. For expansion of the last bit in Manitoba to be meaningful in the context of trans-Canada trucking, it really only matters if the highway gets twinned the rest of the way to Thunder Bay, and then realistically in the long run, across the top of Superior.

 

[Eaglelord17]

Yeah, I drove it a couple years ago. But he wouldn’t be writing to the PM to push for 20km of highway. For expansion of the last bit in Manitoba to be meaningful in the context of trans-Canada trucking, it really only matters if the highway gets twinned the rest of the way to Thunder Bay, and then realistically in the long run, across the top of Superior.

The whole reason the trans-Canada isn’t twinned is that northern ontario section. I really hope it is done but I doubt the Ontario government will do anything to make it happen.

 

[brihard]

The whole reason the trans-Canada isn’t twinned is that northern ontario section. I really hope it is done but I doubt the Ontario government will do anything to make it happen.

When we did the cross country drive, there are parts of it actively being worked on. TBay to Nipigon’s made lots of progress. Other sporadic sections north of Superior had blasting and cutting underway that would only make any sense if it was preparation for twinning. So I think in the long term they’re picking away at it.

 

[Quirky]

The whole reason the trans-Canada isn’t twinned is that northern ontario section.

Also a good portion of BC, but they’re working on it. Twinning Calgary to Kamloops completely will likely shave an hour of travel time, more if you’re feeling frisky.

 

[lenaitch]

The whole reason the trans-Canada isn’t twinned is that northern ontario section. I really hope it is done but I doubt the Ontario government will do anything to make it happen.

There are other sections as well in NS, PEI, NL and QC.

The TCH isn't a 'Canadian Interstate'; it's just a designator on a bunch of provincial highways, with multiple routes in some provinces. A number of provinces obtained federal money to improve their sections of the TCH. In fairness, maybe Ontario does too.

No doubt twinning a route through northern Ontario would make for a safer, less stressful drive. It is arguable whether it would have a significant economic impact. There are a couple of sections where Hwy 11 and 17 are co-aligned (so no alternative route). A sample west of TBay shows a 2021 Average Annual Daily traffic count of 2000 vehicles (all types, both ways). A similar point at Nipigon shows 5600. So not huge volumes, let alone dividing that between 11 and 17.

Mush like Van Horne found with the CPR, I suspect building highways in northern Ontario is a lot more expensive than out in the prairies. Major highway expansions happen in 10 or 20 km sections every couple of years. Even if Ontario opened the taps tomorrow, nobody on here will be alive to see it happen end-to-end.

 

[brihard]

There are other sections as well in NS, PEI, NL and QC.

The TCH isn't a 'Canadian Interstate'; it's just a designator on a bunch of provincial highways, with multiple routes in some provinces. A number of provinces obtained federal money to improve their sections of the TCH. In fairness, maybe Ontario does too.

No doubt twinning a route through northern Ontario would make for a safer, less stressful drive. It is arguable whether it would have a significant economic impact. There are a couple of sections where Hwy 11 and 17 are co-aligned (so no alternative route). A sample west of TBay shows a 2021 Average Annual Daily traffic count of 2000 vehicles (all types, both ways). A similar point at Nipigon shows 5600. So not huge volumes, let alone dividing that between 11 and 17.

Mush like Van Horne found with the CPR, I suspect building highways in northern Ontario is a lot more expensive than out in the prairies. Major highway expansions happen in 10 or 20 km sections every couple of years. Even if Ontario opened the taps tomorrow, nobody on here will be alive to see it happen end-to-end.

I think they’re almost done twinning Quebec all the way from Ontario to NB? When we drove Ottawa to PEI last summer, save for a portion between Riviere-du-Loup and the New Brunswick border that was actively under construction, I think we were on twinned highway all the way to Shediac. Had we not turned north from Moncton towards PEI I think we could have gone all the way from the Quebec border to Halifax on a four lane divided highway.

And as Quirky accurately described, out west it’s just some portions through the Rockies that aren’t yet twinned, but it’s actively in progress. We drove past a bunch of that two years back, and what a hell of an engineering project that must be.

 

[KevinB]

Mush like Van Horne found with the CPR, I suspect building highways in northern Ontario is a lot more expensive than out in the prairies. Major highway expansions happen in 10 or 20 km sections every couple of years. Even if Ontario opened the taps tomorrow, nobody on here will be alive to see it happen end-to-end.

While I haven’t done the TBay - SSM -Sudbury - NorthBay to Ottawa since 2004. It’s upgrade portions then was looking like a total shitshow. A lot of fill was being dumped to level the ground, but not primarily rock, just timber and shredded wood. Which isn’t going to make a very stable or lasting bed to put a road on.

I used to do the drive for summer leave when I was in 1VP. It’s not a drive I care to do again.

 

[lenaitch]

While I haven’t done the TBay - SSM -Sudbury - NorthBay to Ottawa since 2004. It’s upgrade portions then was looking like a total shitshow. A lot of fill was being dumped to level the ground, but not primarily rock, just timber and shredded wood. Which isn’t going to make a very stable or lasting bed to put a road on.

I used to do the drive for summer leave when I was in 1VP. It’s not a drive I care to do again.

I've spend a fair bit of time around Ontario highways and can't say I've seen wood used as fill unless it was a rogue contractor and the MTO project manager didn't catch it (which is highly possible).

Other than twinning between the Manitoba border and Kenora and TBay to Nipigon, most work than is more than re-surfacing or bridge repair/replacement is to add 3-lane 'passing areas'. I used to really dislike the Sudbury-SSM stretch for getting stuck behind traffic but they've added a bunch of passing lanes so it is at least more tolerable. They are slowly extending the divided highway north from the Renfrew area. They are also piloting a Scandinavian-style '2+1' stretch of Hwy 11 north of North Bay but I don't even survey stakes yet.

Renfrew to Kenora is about 1800 km. It's going to take a while.

Sure you haven't got the date wrong? I'm not sure they've laid down a corduroy road in quite a while.

 

[KevinB]

May have been those infuriating passing lanes.
But definitely saw a lot of wood fill then getting covered in rock.

I did that drive 2.5x in 2004 (pre and post deployment leave), and my exodus from the West.

 

[Czech_pivo]

I won't argue with you on that to an extent. The elections need to be 100% auditable. If they are and it is demonstrated, then that puts to rest all the "rigging" suspicions except for the extremists. If they are not or won't be... then we have a problem.

All Federal and Provincial votes in Canada fall under that level of supervision and there is no example or traits to believe that this is looking to change. So this puts this issue to bed here.

 

[Halifax Tar]

All Federal and Provincial votes in Canada fall under that level of supervision and there is no example or traits to believe that this is looking to change. So this puts this issue to bed here.

I don't hear any serious calls that election was rigged.

 

[Remius]

Interesting.
I'd say that the extremists are the ones that don't accept a democratic vote and push forward tin foil ideas that the a democratic vote was 'fixed' or 'rigged' because their opinion wasn't chosen.

It’s also from those that just don’t like the result. They claim to live democracy until it does not go their way. This conversation would not be happening if their man won.

Platitudes about “democracy” falls a bit flat in that context.

 

[QV]

I'm well aware of what capital has been 'lost' under Trudeau and Notley. Having an individual with a global understanding of how the world economy works and the free movement of capital should reduce/remove this going forward. He's been saying all the right things so far, obviously he needs to walk the walk going forward.

Sure, maybe he does what no previous government has ever done and that which he and his own party have been explicitly opposed to since forever.

Excuse my skepticism and hopefully he acts quickly.

"By the year 2030 we will...(insert promise)....." is not going to fly.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Sure, maybe he does what no previous government has ever done and that which he and his own party have been explicitly opposed to since forever.

Excuse my skepticism and hopefully he acts quickly.

"By the year 2030 we will...(insert promise)....." is not going to fly.

Time will tell.

 

[Altair]

Young Canadians favoured the Liberals this election

Young Canadians favoured the Liberals this election.

cultmtl.com

45% of 18- to 34-year-olds say they voted for the Liberals this election, while 38% say they voted for the Conservatives. This proved to be among the Conservatives’ weakest demographics.

All that talk of the CPC youth advantage may have been smoke and mirrors.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Nanos poll

 

[mariomike]

Young Canadians favoured the Liberals this election

Young Canadians favoured the Liberals this election.

cultmtl.com

All that talk of the CPC youth advantage may have been smoke and mirrors.

According to Leger, post-election,

2 May, 2025

Who did you vote for in the Canadian federal election that ended on Monday?

Voted CPC:

Age:

18 -34 23%

35 - 54 33%

55+ 44%

Gender:

Men. 58%

Women. 42%

338 Canada put it this way,

7 May, 2025

https://twitter.com/x/status/1920203993541714248

 

[HavokFour]

Oh... joy. I'm tired boss.

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