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Trump administration 2024-2028

FJAG said:
This whole thing is an interesting question, isn't it?

. . . A 250th celebration for the forming of the Continental Army is, IMHO, merited as a tribute to all the wars it has fought during that time. . . .
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I haven't seen any "national" 250th anniversary parades scheduled for October 13th. Or November 10th. Oh wait, the Corps always does a birthday party each year with a cake.

I was looking for an appropriate Will Rogers' quote. I faintly remember something about if you're going to honour the men in uniform you shouldn't make them march by you, instead they should sit in the stands and you should march by them. However couldn't find attribution, maybe somebody else. Personally, the only parades that are in the American national consciousness are the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade, the Rose Bowl parade and the Mardi Gras parade in New Orleans. The appropriate metaphors for America; commercialism, football and debauchery.
 
CBH99 said:
I understand Boeing has challenges right now, and will for the foreseeable future.

But shouldn't this have been a fairly straightforward matter of building 2 new 747's, and installing the modernized version of the same mission-specific equipment on the current fleet??


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Oh it was a fricken train wreck during Trump45’s tenure. Nasty negotiation, and the modifications required take ages.

The ‘gift’ horse won’t be converted by the time 47’s reign ends (assuming he doesn’t decide he is king)
 
Brad Sallows said:
The shared date can be nothing but a coincidence, with just over 170 years between the birth of each and pretty much no practical way for any woman to plan an exact date for the birth of a child. June 14 is also Flag Day. Coincidences abound.
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I'd buy the coincidence theory if Trump hadn't been pushing for a big military parade since seeing the Bastille Day parade in 2017.

www.bbc.com

Trump tells Pentagon 'to top' France military parade

The president was reportedly so impressed by a ceremony in France he wants one for the US.
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Trump quote from 2018:
US President Donald Trump has asked the Pentagon to organise a large military parade in the nation's capital.
The president made the request of top military chiefs in late January, after reportedly being impressed by a French Bastille Day parade last year.
"It was one of the greatest parades I've ever seen," he later said. "We're going to have to try and top it."
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Blackadder1916 said:
I haven't seen any "national" 250th anniversary parades scheduled for October 13th. Or November 10th. Oh wait, the Corps always does a birthday party each year with a cake.

I was looking for an appropriate Will Rogers' quote. I faintly remember something about if you're going to honour the men in uniform you shouldn't make them march by you, instead they should sit in the stands and you should march by them. However couldn't find attribution, maybe somebody else. Personally, the only parades that are in the American national consciousness are the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade, the Rose Bowl parade and the Mardi Gras parade in New Orleans. The appropriate metaphors for America; commercialism, football and debauchery.
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The Marine Corps ball is a remarkably couth approach, especially as an all-ranks thing.

As for Army birthday parades: if some sort of "march out of the garrison with flags and band, route to conclude in local park with beer, beef, and hopefully adoring civilians" thing didn't evolve in 18-whatever, the moment has probably passed.

Is there a US equivalent to freedom of the city?

Saw the assassination stuff. Nothing useful to add.
 
Brad Sallows said:
"And tomorrow, we are going to witness a military parade in DC that just happens to coincide with Trump’s 79th birthday and the Army’s 250th."

The shared date can be nothing but a coincidence, with just over 170 years between the birth of each and pretty much no practical way for any woman to plan an exact date for the birth of a child. June 14 is also Flag Day. Coincidences abound.

So that leaves the "coincidence of a military parade". The army could do without a celebration, or something less showy (and expensive). Too bad we can't run a counter-factual in which Trump is not the president on the army's 250th anniversary to see just what would be acceptable.

The run up to 2026 (1776+250) is going to be politically interesting, and the celebrations will be expensive. It's asking a bit much for the country to stiff itself just because some people can't stand their self-aggrandizing president trying to get in the frame of every picture.

This ongoing fray over illegal immigration reminds me of the Ukraine war. Escalate and win, make peace and cut losses, or just keep it going to bleed Russia at the cost of bleeding Ukraine. Option #2 for Trump, and #3 for Democrats and NeverTrump Republicans. On immigration: grant citizenship en masse, deport en masse, or just keep them as a class of peasants. Option #2 for Trump, and #3 for Democrats and NeverTrump Republicans.

If anyone wants to claim the high ground of #1 (of either) on behalf of Democrats and NeverTrump Republicans, they've got a hard case to prove.
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I won't blame anyone.

I'll just sit back and watch all the regulars who claim moral superiority by blaming everything on "TDS" do their thing. The fucking irony.
 
CBH99 said:
Welcome back Vern 🥂
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:)

futurama agree GIF
 
Apparently there are more than two templates for reactions to Padilla's Q&A technique. Note that Noem's briefing stiffed some of the press who wanted to attend.

"There was one camp that did not express outrage as much as umbrage: the journalists covering the event. After Padilla was escorted to the parking lot, several reporters jawed that it was not the senator's place to storm a press conference, that some of us weren't even able to get inside, and that we don't get to, say, vote on the Senate floor just because we happen to be in the building.

The KNX reporter held out his press pass. "You have one of these?" he asked. "No? Then you're a second-class citizen, Senator. Resign your job and get a press pass, and then you'll be able to ask the questions.""
 
So. Just watched the parade. Started watching it on CNN, but they wouldn't STFU and kept flicking around to other stories and then their moron talking heads so I went to YouTube.

Sigh. If Trump was expecting a Bastille Day parade or a Moscow May Day parade then he ought to feel deeply disappointed - not to mention Hegseth (who I swear to God had an American flag stuffed as a hanky into his suit's breast pocket and was wearing a camouflage pattern tie.)

While the basic concept of the US Army wearing the uniforms worn over the last to centuries was a good one, the whole thing just seemed disorganized and poorly prepared for. From soldiers shuffling along as though their hearts weren't in it (almost every army puts a band near the reviewing stand to perk the troops up and get them into step as they near the parade's critical point) to the endless interspersed rumbling tanks etc who seemed to move without any specific order or rhythm (again look to France, Russia, Germany, anyone how to organize a roll past.) it just didn't click. Hell, when the best marching unit in the parade is the Texas A&M University Corps of Cadets . . . Sigh, again. Hell, I wasn't expecting a UK King's Birthday Trooping the Colours Parade with all the fancy drill evolutions but still - marching in step is a little thing, easily accomplished.

I won't even get into the young soldiers who looked like they were press ganged to stand as an audience for some country singer who set up after the parade was over. I hate to say it, but my guess is that somewhere in Russia, China and a few other not so nice countries, military staff are rolling in the aisles laughing.

My guess is there won't be a repeat of this anytime soon. Too bad. It should have been good.

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FJAG said:
So. Just watched the parade. Started watching it on CNN, but they wouldn't STFU and kept flicking around to other stories and then their moron talking heads so I went to YouTube.

Sigh. If Trump was expecting a Bastille Day parade or a Moscow May Day parade then he ought to feel deeply disappointed - not to mention Hegseth (who I swear to God had an American flag stuffed as a hanky into his suit's breast pocket and was wearing a camouflage pattern tie.)

While the basic concept of the US Army wearing the uniforms worn over the last to centuries was a good one, the whole thing just seemed disorganized and poorly prepared for. From soldiers shuffling along as though their hearts weren't in it (almost every army puts a band near the reviewing stand to perk the troops up and get them into step as they near the parade's critical point) to the endless interspersed rumbling tanks etc who seemed to move without any specific order or rhythm (again look to France, Russia, Germany, anyone how to organize a roll past.) it just didn't click. Hell, when the best marching unit in the parade is the Texas A&M University Corps of Cadets . . . Sigh, again. Hell, I wasn't expecting a UK King's Birthday Parade with all the fancy drill evolutions but still - marching in step is a little thing, easily accomplished.

I won't even get into the young soldiers who looked like they were press ganged to stand as an audience for some country singer who set up after the parade was over. I hate to say it, but my guess is that somewhere in Russia, China and a few other not so nice countries, military staff are rolling in the aisles laughing.

My guess is there won't be a repeat of this anytime soon. Too bad. It should have been good.

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From the few minutes I watched, I immediately noticed heads turned in all sorts of directions when they got to where the POTUS was. A couple looking in his direction, but a whole lot more staring straight ahead just looking "done". Even a few looking straight up.

Personally I think parades should be reserved for the man in red, the yearly turkey feast, and major military victories. This looked and felt more like a personal vanity thing for Trump, and not something for the US Army.

EDIT: Wow, that song was a choice.

https://bsky.app/profile/bubbaprog.lol%2Fpost%2F3lrm4ekho5k2b
 
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HavokFour said:
From the few minutes I watched, I immediately noticed heads turned in all sorts of directions when they got to where the POTUS was. A couple looking in his direction, but a whole lot more staring straight ahead just looking "done". Even a few looking straight up.

Personally I think parades should be reserved for the man in red, the yearly turkey feast, and major military victories. This looked and felt more like a personal vanity thing for Trump, and not something for the US Army.

EDIT: Wow, that song was a choice.

https://bsky.app/profile/bubbaprog.lol%2Fpost%2F3lrm4ekho5k2b
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Drill like a flash mob ;)
 
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