"Army investigating members allegedly involved in 'abhorrent' Facebook group"

[rmc_wannabe]

Just when we thought CPCC had worked themselves out if a job...

 

[The Bread Guy]

I think it will depend how deep this idiocy goes? To get national level attention i doubt it was just a couple people. If senior leadership is involved in this, I expect the harsh reprocussions for the units command team. If it was lower ranks, imo anyone with a leaf on their chest should have it removed for actions contrary to our Ethos and the profession of arms.

This case, now that its in the media, will be under the microscope for how serious the CAF actually is about culture change.

And, as always with media stories, we know what we read/see/hear, but there's always at least some "unknown unknowns" with the situation, too.

 

[MilEME09]

And, as always with media stories, we know what we read/see/hear, but there's always at least some "unknown unknowns" with the situation, too.

Yes, I think the big question i have right away, is if the investigation is being reopened, why was it closed off the first time? What was that outcome? Time will tell but if someone already got disciplined once for this, one would hope its much harsher this time

 

[Jarnhamar]

If they were punished once and punished again seemingly for optics they would probably have solid grounds for a grievance, no?

 

[MilEME09]

If they were punished once and punished again seemingly for optics they would probably have solid grounds for a grievance, no?

For the same offense yes, but if they say kept offending after the first investigation, then no

 

[coolintheshade]

Their excuse will be ....no access to DLN in order to have taken the right courses.

 

[markppcli]

Probably a good time for anyone who moderates any CAF-related Facebook groups to go back through the entire group's history and delete anything that might be controversial, especially for older groups where you may have taken over as the moderator at a later time. I am sure most people have done this, but it never hurts to check that there isn't something hanging around from 2006 (or more recent) that might not be the most appropriate thing, before the wrong people find it.

I mean hopefully you didn’t have multiple pictures of your members members out while in uniform. If instagram is to be believed.

 

[Kilted]

I think it will depend how deep this idiocy goes? To get national level attention i doubt it was just a couple people. If senior leadership is involved in this, I expect the harsh reprocussions for the units command team. If it was lower ranks, imo anyone with a leaf on their chest should have it removed for actions contrary to our Ethos and the profession of arms.

This case, now that its in the media, will be under the microscope for how serious the CAF actually is about culture change.

My gut feeling is that this was a private Facebook group for the JR Mess, but I could be wrong. I do believe that I saw a group with the same name maybe 15 years ago.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Double edged sword. Police, EMS, fight fighters, military, all use dark humor to cope with the stress and trauma of the job.

Then we chastise them for using it in private.

Caveat of course being when it gets taken too far, and especially with real pictures of members in uniforms doing shinnanigans.

 

[Booter]

I’d like to see the posts. I don’t care if they are called “abhorrent” or if media assure me it’s bad. If I’m going after people for what makes them laugh I’m going to be very careful before I start throwing rocks.

 

[dapaterson]

I’d like to see the posts. I don’t care if they are called “abhorrent” or if media assure me it’s bad. If I’m going after people for what makes them laugh I’m going to be very careful before I start throwing rocks.

There is an article available on Postmedia sites that can't be shared here that has a few screen captures.

 

[Cloud Cover]

If they were punished once and punished again seemingly for optics they would probably have solid grounds for a grievance, no?

Not just a grievance, lol.

 

[ModlrMike]

I’d like to see the posts. I don’t care if they are called “abhorrent” or if media assure me it’s bad. If I’m going after people for what makes them laugh I’m going to be very careful before I start throwing rocks.

Except that Remedial Measures are not considered punishments, and there's no limits to the number of RM one can be assessed. Technically, one could receive a slew of RM for the same event, although I would personally find that to be bad admin. A single, well written and specific would be more effective even if the member did several different bad things at the same time.

 

[Eaglelord17]

Except that Remedial Measures are not considered punishments, and there's no limits to the number of RM one can be assessed. Technically, one could receive a slew of RM for the same event, although I would personally find that to be bad admin. A single, well written and specific would be more effective even if the member did several different bad things at the same time.

Could you not argue harassment at that point?

 

[Kilted]

One of the news agencies is reporting that they sent the screenshots to the CDS.

Considering that there was already action taken on this last year, is it possible that these screen shots are of posts that were all deleted last year, and this whole thing is being readdressed because the media was just looking for a story?

 

[Kilted]

Except that Remedial Measures are not considered punishments, and there's no limits to the number of RM one can be assessed. Technically, one could receive a slew of RM for the same event, although I would personally find that to be bad admin. A single, well written and specific would be more effective even if the member did several different bad things at the same time.

So one administration action when the OC finds out about it, another when the CO finds out, and other one when the Brigade Commander finds out.

 

[Jarnhamar]

So one administration action when the OC finds out about it, another when the CO finds out, and other one when the Brigade Commander finds out.

I don't think you can have 3 remedial measures for the same conduct/performance deficiency. One would have to name different conduct related deficiencies for the same event if that makes sense.

 

[Kilted]

I don't think you can have 3 remedial measures for the same conduct/performance deficiency. One would have to name different conduct related deficiencies for the same event if that makes sense.

It's not supposed to make sense.

 

[OldSolduer]

I don't think you can have 3 remedial measures for the same conduct/performance deficiency. One would have to name different conduct related deficiencies for the same event if that makes sense.

If I recall it’s a verbal, written followed by Counselling and Probation.
And you can’t have C & P twice for the same problem

 

[Jarnhamar]

If I recall it’s a verbal, written followed by Counselling and Probation.
And you can’t have C & P twice for the same problem

Right. But you couldn't have 3 levels of the CoC giving you ICs for being late, or an IC and RW for being late. You need an opportunity to overcome the deficiency.

You could get an IC for being late and another IC for bad dress and deportment (same incident).

@ModlrMike does that sound accurate?