Canada moves to 2% GDP end of FY25/26 - PMMC

[mariomike]

If its mobilization it doesn't matter WTF they think. Their other option will be jail.

"I got three reasons for bein' in the Army. First, I'm patriotic. Second, I love my country. And third, they nailed me."

Back when the Draft was on in the U.S., the mayor put it this way, "Draft Dodgers and Deserters are Toronto's only problem."

 

[Underway]

Maybe. Recent events show that they won’t even investigate Facebook private groups until it becomes national news. My guess is they would just punt it to the units to deal with…

Not sure how bored they really are.

Pffft, investigations are boring. Going to someones house to grab them for being AWOL is waaaay more fun.

 

[Remius]

Pffft, investigations are boring. Going to someone’s house to grab them for being AWOL is waaaay more fun.

Never going to happen.

Jurisdictions for one. We had it happen once. MPs just put out a warrant. If buddy was stopped for a traffic violation they’d detain him but otherwise they didn’t go to his house like you think they would.

If we mobilise and people fail to show I bet it would be nothing more than administrative action and released. And dumped on the units to deal with.

 

[mariomike]

If we mobilise and people fail to show I bet it would be nothing more than administrative action and released.

Under which Release Item?

• Item 1: Misconduct
• Item 2: Unsatisfactory Service
• Item 3: Medical
• Item 4: Voluntary
• Item 5: Service Completed

 

[Remius]

Under which Release Item?

• Item 1: Misconduct
• Item 2: Unsatisfactory Service
• Item 3: Medical
• Item 4: Voluntary
• Item 5: Service Completed

Likely 5f.

Similar to what happened to the anti vaxxers that were released.

But it would be my guess as this would be uncharted waters.

 

[MilEME09]

Likely 5f.

Similar to what happened to the anti vaxxers that were released.

But it would be my guess as this would be uncharted waters.

I'd argue Desertion charges potentially first in the mentioned situation

Desertion​

Offence

• 88 (1) Every person who deserts or attempts to desert is guilty of an offence and on conviction, if the person committed the offence on active service or under orders for active service, is liable to imprisonment for life or to less punishment and, in any other case, is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years or to less punishment.
• Definition
  
  (2) A person deserts who
  
  • (a) being on or having been warned for active service, duty during an emergency or other important service, is absent without authority with the intention of avoiding that service;
  • (b) having been warned that his vessel is under sailing orders, is absent without authority with the intention of missing that vessel;
  • (c) absents himself without authority from his place of duty with the intention of remaining absent from his place of duty;
  • (d) is absent without authority from his place of duty and at any time during such absence forms the intention of remaining absent from his place of duty; or
  • (e) while absent with authority from his place of duty, with the intention of remaining absent from his place of duty, does any act or omits to do anything the natural and probable consequence of which act or omission is to preclude the person from being at his place of duty at the time required.
• Presumption of desertion
  
  (3) A person who has been absent without authority for a continuous period of six months or more shall, unless the contrary is proved, be presumed to have had the intention of remaining absent from his place of duty.

• R.S., c. N-4, s. 78

Connivance at desertion

89 Every person who

• (a) being aware of the desertion or intended desertion of a person from any of Her Majesty’s Forces, does not without reasonable excuse inform his superior officer forthwith, or
• (b) fails to take any steps in his power to cause the apprehension of a person whom he knows, or has reasonable grounds to believe, to be a deserter,

is guilty of an offence and on conviction is liable to imprisonment for less than two years or to less punishment.

• R.S., c. N-4, s. 79

 

[Underway]

Never going to happen.

Jurisdictions for one. We had it happen once. MPs just put out a warrant. If buddy was stopped for a traffic violation they’d detain him but otherwise they didn’t go to his house like you think they would.

If we mobilise and people fail to show I bet it would be nothing more than administrative action and released. And dumped on the units to deal with.

I've seen it happen three times. PRes MP's can only police the force, so they don't do a lot outside of exercises. And if there is a problem you are having trouble with they are very happy to help out. Things like a) go to peoples houses to get all the kit they didn't return b) go to peoples houses who were AWOL from a weekend BMQ

If we mobilize all your understanding of how things work will be completely upended. Because when that is dropped the Class A is immediately Class C with no release option. Thus expected to show up for work. So perhaps if they play nice it will be admin action, but they sure as hell won't be released. They are in the military for the duration of the national emergency.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Likely 5f.

Similar to what happened to the some anti vaxxers that were released.

But it would be my guess as this would be uncharted waters.

A very slight correction.

 

[mariomike]

And that 86% evaporates when you get those folks with high paying civilian jobs saying "enh, no thanks."

If certain occupations are exempt from mobilization, does it make sense employing them as Reservists?

 

[Halifax Tar]

And that 86% evaporates when you get those folks with high paying civilian jobs saying "enh, no thanks."

Unless its a mobilization with job protection, they're names on paper.

I think you're bang on. Our country couldn't force people our door during WW1 and WW2.

Anyone who thinks we suddenly have that kind of cajones is dreaming IMHO.

 

[PrairieFella]

I think you're bang on. Our country couldn't force people our door during WW1 and WW2.

Anyone who thinks we suddenly have that kind of cajones is dreaming IMHO.

It might be different if its existential for us. Both of those wars at the end of the day were far away and didn't pose an imminent threat to Fortress North America. The next one won't likely be the same.

 

[Halifax Tar]

It might be different if its existential for us. Both of those wars at the end of the day were far away and didn't pose an imminent threat to Fortress North America. The next one won't likely be the same.

Maybe I'm just jaded, and present company excluded, but I don't think Canadians are actually that patriotic.

 

[The Bread Guy]

It might be different if its existential for us. Both of those wars at the end of the day were far away and didn't pose an imminent threat to Fortress North America. The next one won't likely be the same.

Maybe, but we're in a way different political and media environment than in WW 1 & 2.

When POTUS47 was POTUS45, a lot of people on these boards who were usually pretty strong supporters of NATO were happy to agree with POTUS not guaranteeing the US would be there for Europe if invaded - which he eventually backtracked on and said he would be. I'm sensing a bit more of that now with Trump 2.0 back in the wheelhouse.

If very-generally-right-of-centre folks, usually supportive of military action against authoritarian regimes, were (are?) OK with Europe just having to fight its own fight against USSR 2.0 if it came to it, we could see a lot more of this to the argument that, like in WW2, it's right to stop bullies even if they're just kicking our friends in the nutz ....

 

[daftandbarmy]

Meanwhile, during Stampede Season, Alberta and Ontario have 'hooked up'

Ontario and Alberta sign agreements to study new pipeline, railway projects​

Ontario Premier Doug Ford and his Alberta counterpart Danielle Smith unveiled two memoranda of understanding Monday, aimed at more closely connecting the Canadian economy through fresh pipelines and railways.

Ford has served as the chair of the Council of the Federation this year, leading the premiers in a push for free trade and better cooperation between provinces and has signed deals with various provinces.

Ontario has agreed to eliminate a variety of trade barriers with places like Nova Scotia, Saskatchewan and Manitoba. Now, Ford is moving to partner on the planning stage of ambitious new projects.

Ahead of the signing, Ford and Energy Minister Stephen Lecce held a roundtable with Alberta Premier Danielle Smith and government officials to discuss their alignment on energy exports.

“The best way to protect Canadian workers from tariffs and economic uncertainty is to build the infrastructure that will get our resources to new markets,” Ford said on social media.

Ontario and Alberta sign agreements to study new pipeline, railway projects | Globalnews.ca

The premiers of Alberta and Ontario will meet in Calgary today to sign two new memorandums of understanding.

globalnews.ca

 

[Halifax Tar]

Maybe, but we're in a way different political and media environment than in WW 1 & 2.

When POTUS47 was POTUS45, a lot of people on these boards who were usually pretty strong supporters of NATO were happy to agree with POTUS not guaranteeing the US would be there for Europe if invaded - which he eventually backtracked on and said he would be. I'm sensing a bit more of that now with Trump 2.0 back in the wheelhouse.

If very-generally-right-of-centre folks, usually supportive of military action against authoritarian regimes, were (are?) OK with Europe just having to fight its own fight against USSR 2.0 if it came to it, we could see a lot more of this to the argument that, like in WW2, it's right to stop bullies even if they're just kicking our friends in the nutz ....
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Canada doesn't have friends. We have interests. And the quicker we get that through our thick hockey helmet skulls the better.

 

[Quirky]

Maybe I'm just jaded, and present company excluded, but I don't think Canadians are actually that patriotic.

I doubt the majority of people who arrived here in the last 10 years really care about patriotism or that sort of thing.

 

[PrairieFella]

I doubt the majority of people who arrived here in the last 10 years really care about patriotism or that sort of thing.

It seems most of the people joining the reserves these days are people who have come here in the past 10 years, or their children. A common theme when teaching basics (of which I've instructed around 20) is that they want to give back and serve their new country.

But feel free to dogwhistle if you'd like.

 

[The Bread Guy]

I doubt the majority of people who arrived here in the last 10 years really care about patriotism or that sort of thing.

And you have comparative data on the patriotism levels of people "who arrived here", oh, I don't know, under non-Liberal regimes in Ottawa as recently as 11 or a dozen years ago?

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Canada doesn't have friends. We have interests. And the quicker we get that through our thick hockey helmet skulls the better.

And many countries we are interested in are no longer interested in our interests.

IE: the EU shitcanning Carney's Net Zero enterprise.

 

[Underway]

I doubt the majority of people who arrived here in the last 10 years really care about patriotism or that sort of thing.

Maybe. But what I've seen is that a lot of them care way more than most natural born Canadians.