Canada moves to 2% GDP end of FY25/26 - PMMC

[childs56]

Interesting take... Why do wages need to be "fair"?

Why don't they need to be fair?
Many have said the Military are under paid. So why not compare wages and pay accordainly.

They need to be competitive enough to keep people in long enough to develop the leaders we need, not the leaders we have left. If, as you seem to be implying, the CAF os over paid, why are are we losing people at the key middle leadership point in their careers?

The CF are loosing those key positions for the same reasons most industries are loosing similar people. Moral, lack of confidence in the leadership/management. Drive for better overall work conditions and positions. The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. It isnt always there to eat on the other side.

The amount of admin you just described creating wouldn’t be good.

Why wouldn't it be good? The Military has more Clerks per member then most other industries.

Plus all the disadvantages of having hourly workers isn’t worth it.

Why not? The benefit I would see is the members would know they were being paid for the hours they work. M-F 8-430. Anything above or outside those normal hours unless shift works is and would be compensated.

Pay doesn’t even need a increase (spoiler most CAF members make much more than the average Canadian) rather cheap on base housing is the solution. The only reason pay is such a issue right now is due to the posting to areas with high cost of living. If there was a standardized on base housing rate across the country it doesn’t matter how much they make as they would still be getting ahead.

High cost of living is across the country and not unique to Military Only. The military could build more base housing, they could add a proper housing allowance and or pay more so special economic areas.

You can be making 30k a year but if your housing and food is taken care of you have a lot of disposable income. Alternatively you can be making 100k a year in a high cost of living area and be pay cheque to pay cheque.

That is very true.

 

[PrairieFella]

From Noah Gairn on the potential restructure.


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Hello everyone, and welcome to this special edition of This Week in Defence. Through popular demand I have decided to move up the rumors from Monday's edition to today as quite frankly I was getting a bit worn with all the messages and questions. Besides, better you hear it from me than someone else!

There is a lot to go through so this will be formatted a bit differently than normal!

Let's start with the major aspect of todays rumors, restructuring. This has been a hot topic for the last few months and one I have been very hesitant to put in here due to the conflicting and volatile information.

However with plans approved in the last few weeks, as well as going though about four different people for verification, I think im finally in a position where I can confidently put this out there.

The new army will be centered around three divisions, broken down between the regular, reserve, and a support division. The working designation for these two new Divisions are the 6th and 7th.

The 6th Division will be comprised of:

1 CMBG

2 CMBG

5 CMBG

1x Light Infantry Regiment

1x Fires Brigade

1x Protection Brigade

1x Sustainment Brigade

The 7th Division will be the reserves and rangers and has been, at least in some documentation, been referred to as the 'Continental Division'. I sadly dont have much on the Seventh.

This is the info that I have as of now. I am still working on gathering more details but this is the basic structure of how the future army will look. Obviously some of you were expecting more, and hoped to see something more radical done.

Some of you will be very happy with this and how straightforward it is. It is a plan that makes sense and is within realistic expectations. As always, we take these as speculation and not as fact. Plans can change but I am fairly confident that this is the active plan.

I am awaiting some more time before I give my thoughts, as well as more info to come out. I think it is still to early for me to judge, but my current feels are a mixed bag. Perhaps next week I will dive more.

That isnt the only news we have though. There has been a few major things that have come up the last few weeks as funding was announced and plans formalized. Here is the rundown:

The Medium Cavalry Capability project, while extremely early, has some info coming out of it. The rumored plan I heard was to acquire up to 400 vehicles as part of the project. There is conflicting issue on what this would look like amd I can confirm that Tracked vehicle are being discussed. I have gotten mixed info on if this is a Tracked program exclusively or merely open to them.

Cabinet reportedly approved a request of $3.4B for the procurement of additional LAV and ACSV near the end of June. The current plan is to acquire up to 190 additional LAV through this funding.

There is rumors of additional LAVs in rhe pipeline beyond this. There is at least one LAV project valued at $2.5B. No details.

There is also a Leopard Life-Extension project valued at $5B on the books.

There is ALSO an Active Protection System project on the books that I never remember from before.

Remember that Anti-Tank mine project from a few months ago? It is now the Area Access Control Program and surely violated some international laws because holy fuck does it sound insane.

There will be no rumor page on mondays newsletter unless something big comes along. I also urge, again, that while all of this sounds awesome and completely mind-exploding to exercise some restraint. I will work hard to keep track of all of these amd hopefully come back in a few weeks with updates for everything.

 

[Furniture]

Why don't they need to be fair?
Many have said the Military are under paid. So why not compare wages and pay accordainly.

What is the current pay incentive for an electrical technician to be small arms, CBRN, flood control, and fire fighting qualified in civie street?

If you want to compare like to like, you need to include more just base trade skills. If the CAF paid like the marine industry, the 20% pay increase could be eaten by just the RCN paying it's members civilian equivalent pay.

Remember, the CAF is a lot more than just the combat arms, or the CA in general.

 

[daftandbarmy]

From Noah Gairn on the potential restructure.


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Hello everyone, and welcome to this special edition of This Week in Defence. Through popular demand I have decided to move up the rumors from Monday's edition to today as quite frankly I was getting a bit worn with all the messages and questions. Besides, better you hear it from me than someone else!

There is a lot to go through so this will be formatted a bit differently than normal!

Let's start with the major aspect of todays rumors, restructuring. This has been a hot topic for the last few months and one I have been very hesitant to put in here due to the conflicting and volatile information.

However with plans approved in the last few weeks, as well as going though about four different people for verification, I think im finally in a position where I can confidently put this out there.

The new army will be centered around three divisions, broken down between the regular, reserve, and a support division. The working designation for these two new Divisions are the 6th and 7th.

The 6th Division will be comprised of:

1 CMBG

2 CMBG

5 CMBG

1x Light Infantry Regiment

1x Fires Brigade

1x Protection Brigade

1x Sustainment Brigade

The 7th Division will be the reserves and rangers and has been, at least in some documentation, been referred to as the 'Continental Division'. I sadly dont have much on the Seventh.

This is the info that I have as of now. I am still working on gathering more details but this is the basic structure of how the future army will look. Obviously some of you were expecting more, and hoped to see something more radical done.

Some of you will be very happy with this and how straightforward it is. It is a plan that makes sense and is within realistic expectations. As always, we take these as speculation and not as fact. Plans can change but I am fairly confident that this is the active plan.

I am awaiting some more time before I give my thoughts, as well as more info to come out. I think it is still to early for me to judge, but my current feels are a mixed bag. Perhaps next week I will dive more.

That isnt the only news we have though. There has been a few major things that have come up the last few weeks as funding was announced and plans formalized. Here is the rundown:

The Medium Cavalry Capability project, while extremely early, has some info coming out of it. The rumored plan I heard was to acquire up to 400 vehicles as part of the project. There is conflicting issue on what this would look like amd I can confirm that Tracked vehicle are being discussed. I have gotten mixed info on if this is a Tracked program exclusively or merely open to them.

Cabinet reportedly approved a request of $3.4B for the procurement of additional LAV and ACSV near the end of June. The current plan is to acquire up to 190 additional LAV through this funding.

There is rumors of additional LAVs in rhe pipeline beyond this. There is at least one LAV project valued at $2.5B. No details.

There is also a Leopard Life-Extension project valued at $5B on the books.

There is ALSO an Active Protection System project on the books that I never remember from before.

Remember that Anti-Tank mine project from a few months ago? It is now the Area Access Control Program and surely violated some international laws because holy fuck does it sound insane.

There will be no rumor page on mondays newsletter unless something big comes along. I also urge, again, that while all of this sounds awesome and completely mind-exploding to exercise some restraint. I will work hard to keep track of all of these amd hopefully come back in a few weeks with updates for everything.

I don't see anything about Bands ... shocking

 

[MilEME09]

I don't see anything about Bands ... shocking

Add divisional bands just to keep you happy

 

[daftandbarmy]

Add divisional bands just to keep you happy

Whether or not you want them

 

[childs56]

What is the current pay incentive for an electrical technician to be small arms, CBRN, flood control, and fire fighting qualified in civie street?

If you want to compare like to like, you need to include more just base trade skills. If the CAF paid like the marine industry, the 20% pay increase could be eaten by just the RCN paying it's members civilian equivalent pay.

Remember, the CAF is a lot more than just the combat arms, or the CA in general.

Depending on where the electrician works they might have to be qualified to work in H2s environments, have basic firefighting skills along with confined spaced entry, fall arrest, high angle rescue and a few other courses. Is it the norm depends on the specific industry you work in?

An employer cannot take into account for all your specific training all the time but they can put you on the upper or lower end of a pay scale.
It is hard to compensate a Military Member for every minute skill or task they perform.
Many industries have a hard time doing the same.
How much is a Cpl Electrical Technician make currently? How much does their civilian counterpart make. What kind of benefits do each have?

 

[WestIsle]

The new army will be centered around three divisions, broken down between the regular, reserve, and a support division. The working designation for these two new Divisions are the 6th and 7th.

The 6th Division will be comprised of:

1 CMBG

2 CMBG

5 CMBG

1x Light Infantry Regiment

1x Fires Brigade

1x Protection Brigade

1x Sustainment Brigade

The 7th Division will be the reserves and rangers and has been, at least in some documentation, been referred to as the 'Continental Division'. I sadly dont have much on the Seventh.

While I am glad to see some movement in restructuring this new move only really seems to be the poor mans Plan Beersheba while creating twice as many none deployable brigades that will be in a division that can never meet. Placing all the reserves into one reserve division to hang out with the rangers is probably the most clear indication of the attitudes and imagination of the leadership we have seen since the last article where there was mention that the reserves were doing too much.

Makes one wonder if they are going to push for a more recent Australian plan from a couple years ago where they intended to regulate the majority of the reserves there to being ad hoc firefighters for the rest of their time. Hard to believe that the plan from a military that plans to grow to apparently 120k Regulars, 100k Reserves, and 300k callup auxillaries or whatever

 

[Halifax Tar]

Depending on where the electrician works they might have to be qualified to work in H2s environments, have basic firefighting skills along with confined spaced entry, fall arrest, high angle rescue and a few other courses. Is it the norm depends on the specific industry you work in?

An employer cannot take into account for all your specific training all the time but they can put you on the upper or lower end of a pay scale.
It is hard to compensate a Military Member for every minute skill or task they perform.
Many industries have a hard time doing the same.
How much is a Cpl Electrical Technician make currently? How much does their civilian counterpart make. What kind of benefits do each have?

I think the issue comparing civilian occupations with CAF occupations is the military factor. It really is apples to firetrucks. And I will say again if we have it so good in the CAF the rest of population is more than welcome to get to a CFRC and come join us! We need people sorely.

For the CAF I think we need to tailor our pay to employability. If you're green across the board you make the most, at your level, and get the environmental and trade allowances. And then scale that back as ones employability drops.

 

[Underway]

Makes one wonder if they are going to push for a more recent Australian plan from a couple years ago where they intended to regulate the majority of the reserves there to being ad hoc firefighters for the rest of their time. Hard to believe that the plan from a military that plans to grow to apparently 120k Regulars, 100k Reserves, and 300k callup auxillaries or whatever

Uhh that's not the military's plan. That's the Army's plan. The RCN and RCAF have their own organizational issues/challenges/changes. Lets not use "the military" as shorthand for "the Army".

It's clear that they have a solid idea of where to go with the 6th Division. More information to follow on how the 7th division is supposed to look. And continental defence is going to be changing on what that will look like as well. As in we will actually be doing it (mostly RCN and RCAF of course).

 

[daftandbarmy]

From Noah Gairn on the potential restructure.


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Hello everyone, and welcome to this special edition of This Week in Defence. Through popular demand I have decided to move up the rumors from Monday's edition to today as quite frankly I was getting a bit worn with all the messages and questions. Besides, better you hear it from me than someone else!

There is a lot to go through so this will be formatted a bit differently than normal!

Let's start with the major aspect of todays rumors, restructuring. This has been a hot topic for the last few months and one I have been very hesitant to put in here due to the conflicting and volatile information.

However with plans approved in the last few weeks, as well as going though about four different people for verification, I think im finally in a position where I can confidently put this out there.

The new army will be centered around three divisions, broken down between the regular, reserve, and a support division. The working designation for these two new Divisions are the 6th and 7th.

The 6th Division will be comprised of:

1 CMBG

2 CMBG

5 CMBG

1x Light Infantry Regiment

1x Fires Brigade

1x Protection Brigade

1x Sustainment Brigade

The 7th Division will be the reserves and rangers and has been, at least in some documentation, been referred to as the 'Continental Division'. I sadly dont have much on the Seventh.

This is the info that I have as of now. I am still working on gathering more details but this is the basic structure of how the future army will look. Obviously some of you were expecting more, and hoped to see something more radical done.

Some of you will be very happy with this and how straightforward it is. It is a plan that makes sense and is within realistic expectations. As always, we take these as speculation and not as fact. Plans can change but I am fairly confident that this is the active plan.

I am awaiting some more time before I give my thoughts, as well as more info to come out. I think it is still to early for me to judge, but my current feels are a mixed bag. Perhaps next week I will dive more.

That isnt the only news we have though. There has been a few major things that have come up the last few weeks as funding was announced and plans formalized. Here is the rundown:

The Medium Cavalry Capability project, while extremely early, has some info coming out of it. The rumored plan I heard was to acquire up to 400 vehicles as part of the project. There is conflicting issue on what this would look like amd I can confirm that Tracked vehicle are being discussed. I have gotten mixed info on if this is a Tracked program exclusively or merely open to them.

Cabinet reportedly approved a request of $3.4B for the procurement of additional LAV and ACSV near the end of June. The current plan is to acquire up to 190 additional LAV through this funding.

There is rumors of additional LAVs in rhe pipeline beyond this. There is at least one LAV project valued at $2.5B. No details.

There is also a Leopard Life-Extension project valued at $5B on the books.

There is ALSO an Active Protection System project on the books that I never remember from before.

Remember that Anti-Tank mine project from a few months ago? It is now the Area Access Control Program and surely violated some international laws because holy fuck does it sound insane.

There will be no rumor page on mondays newsletter unless something big comes along. I also urge, again, that while all of this sounds awesome and completely mind-exploding to exercise some restraint. I will work hard to keep track of all of these amd hopefully come back in a few weeks with updates for everything.

The new militia motto:

The 7th Division - because our own bathwater tastes great

 

[boredtoon]

Makes one wonder if they are going to push for a more recent Australian plan from a couple years ago where they intended to regulate the majority of the reserves there to being ad hoc firefighters for the rest of their time. Hard to believe that the plan from a military that plans to grow to apparently 120k Regulars, 100k Reserves, and 300k callup auxillaries or whatever

I don't think this is the case. The army wants to pivot from operating at a brigade (realistically battlegroup) level to the divisional level. Grouping all the regular force brigades into one division, and the reserves into a second makes sense. It allows the regular force division to be deployed at standard regular force notice to move timelines. A regular and reserve division could not be surged to Europe in 30 days (or whatever the current projected timeline would be) without placing the reservists on Active Service.

 

[PrairieFella]

I don't think this is the case. The army wants to pivot from operating at a brigade (realistically battlegroup) level to the divisional level. Grouping all the regular force brigades into one division, and the reserves into a second makes sense. It allows the regular force division to be deployed at standard regular force notice to move timelines. A regular and reserve division could not be surged to Europe in 30 days (or whatever the current projected timeline would be) without placing the reservists on Active Service.

I think we should note that the Reg Div if correct is oversized so they could probably deploy a tailored division and still have troops at home. Peace support? Maybe a CMBG, Sustainment Brigade and a Force Pro Brigade. LSCO? The whole shebang.

 

[boredtoon]

I think we should note that the Reg Div if correct is oversized so they could probably deploy a tailored division and still have troops at home. Peace support? Maybe a CMBG, Sustainment Brigade and a Force Pro Brigade. LSCO? The whole shebang.

'Train the Replacements' Brigade? 'Get the Reservists Up to Speed' Brigade?

 

[MilEME09]

The new militia motto:

The 7th Division - because our own bathwater tastes great

Putting all the reserves in 1 division, seems to me would require breaking the CAFs need to have geographical commands, shall be interesting if true

 

[Halifax Tar]

Putting all the reserves in 1 division, seems to me would require breaking the CAFs need to have geographical commands, shall be interesting if true

Could this finally mean some centralized ARes leadership under a Div Commander ?

 

[daftandbarmy]

Putting all the reserves in 1 division, seems to me would require breaking the CAFs need to have geographical commands, shall be interesting if true

My guess is they'll keep the expensive local post offices ARes CBG HQs in some way, shape or form.

 

[MilEME09]

My guess is they'll keep the expensive local post offices ARes CBG HQs in some way, shape or form.

very likely, I have heard though that units in the same geo area, if severely under strength will be tactically grouped together until such time as units get their numbers up. So no more battalions with only a platoon

 

[daftandbarmy]

very likely, I have heard though that units in the same geo area, if severely under strength will be tactically grouped together until such time as units get their numbers up. So no more battalions with only a platoon

One unit, two bands, right?

 

[Halifax Tar]

One unit, two bands, right?

You really like mil bands eh ? lol