CAN-USA 2025 Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[PrairieFella]

Idk, sounds like a great way to ensure poor-quality American product is dumped in our market.

 

[Rifleman62]

Why do you say poor-quality American product? Millions of Americans eat and survive. Also, visitors/snowbirds.

Add: Carney has spoken about a new agreement with Europe, but we struck a free-trade deal with the EU in 2014 under the former Stephen Harper government and it still isn’t fully ratified. There are still 10 countries that have yet to fully approve the deal and, of course, it no longer applies to Britain. Negotiations with the U.K. for a trade deal broke down in early 2024 over Canada’s refusal to allow British cheese-makers greater access to the Canadian market.

LILLEY: Carney admits there's likely no deal with Trump unless tariffs included

Prime Minister Mark Carney acknowledged there is little chance of Canada getting a trade deal with the U.S. that doesn’t include tariffs.

torontosun.com

 

[The Bread Guy]

Why do you say poor-quality American product? Millions of Americans eat and survive. Also, visitors/snowbirds.

LILLEY: Carney admits there's likely no deal with Trump unless tariffs included

Prime Minister Mark Carney acknowledged there is little chance of Canada getting a trade deal with the U.S. that doesn’t include tariffs.

torontosun.com

Of course the American product won't kill people any more than Canadian product will. It's a matter of how you want to spend your money.

Comes down to wanting to shop local versus shop "WeSaySo Big Box" chain store. Local often costs more, but keeps profit in town. WeSaySo costs less, but shopping there enough means local shops where the profit is kept/spent in town shut down.

Different folks'll have different views on which they prefer.

 

[PrairieFella]

Why do you say poor-quality American product? Millions of Americans eat and survive. Also, visitors/snowbirds.

LILLEY: Carney admits there's likely no deal with Trump unless tariffs included

Prime Minister Mark Carney acknowledged there is little chance of Canada getting a trade deal with the U.S. that doesn’t include tariffs.

torontosun.com

Because the American dairy industry regularly uses chemicals and hormones that are not fit for human consumption here and in Europe. Combine that with their subsidy regime which is just supply management on the demand rather than supply side and thats what makes it so cheap. Dumping is a serious concern here as we could not compete with their prices.

 

[RangerRay]

Australia and New Zealand dumped their dairy protection rackets decades ago and are thriving like never before. New Zealand dairy puts our stuff to shame. And in Europe, they have butter that spreads at room temperature!

 

[The Bread Guy]

Australia and New Zealand dumped their dairy protection rackets decades ago and are thriving like never before. New Zealand dairy puts our stuff to shame.

But does AUS and NZL have a market 10 times their combined size right next door that can crank up its production by about 5 per cent and swamp their domestic markets?s

And in Europe, they have butter that spreads at room temperature!

Europe may not be the best example if you want to show systems where there's less protectionism and subsidy than Canada They have reasonably strict tariff and import quota controls, too - mind you, we can't compare with the range of products available and the competition that keeps folks alert, too.

 

[brihard]

If we’re concerned about the quality of dairy in our grocery stores, then we can simply make sure appropriate quality and safety standards regulations are in place.

 

[Czech_pivo]

If we’re concerned about the quality of dairy in our grocery stores, then we can simply make sure appropriate quality and safety standards regulations are in place.

That.

 

[The Bread Guy]

If we’re concerned about the quality of dairy in our grocery stores, then we can simply make sure appropriate quality and safety standards regulations are in place.

Socialist - want us to be like the EU or something?

 

[Genetk44]

ScrP our supply management system and in 10 years….or less, our family dairy farms are gone. If you’re okay with that then by all means side with the TACO on this matter.

 

[Furniture]

ScrP our supply management system and in 10 years….or less, our family dairy farms are gone. If you’re okay with that then by all means side with the TACO on this matter.

I don't particularly care that they are family farms, but I do care about food security.

Having Canadian farms disappear or be absorbed by American farms means Canada has less food security.

 

[RangerRay]

Would be nice to get more European cheeses here at a more decent price.

We have lots of other agricultural sectors that are not supply managed and do well. Beef, for example was never supply managed.

Also, it’s weird that we allow less than 9000 extremely wealthy farms to hold the rest of our economy hostage. If we have one big stumbling block to increasing trade with the rest of the world, it’s this.

This is one thing I agreed with Mad Max about.

 

[brihard]

ScrP our supply management system and in 10 years….or less, our family dairy farms are gone. If you’re okay with that then by all means side with the TACO on this matter.

Would they disappear or be absorbed into larger corporate dairy farms?

 

[RangerRay]

Would they disappear or be absorbed into larger corporate dairy farms?

Most likely absorbed, as has been happening since supply management started, and with grain farming prior to and after Harper ended supply management there.

 

[Blackadder1916]

If we’re concerned about the quality of dairy in our grocery stores, then we can simply make sure appropriate quality and safety standards regulations are in place.

So, where will the Canadian food inspectors be stationed? A deliberate bit of sarcasm in that comment. Many imagine that opening up the Canadian market to American dairy producers will result in the dairy aisles of Canadian grocery stores being stocked with cartons/bottles/jugs/bags of milk at cheap American prices. While there would probably be some producers who would try to introduce fluid Yankee milk, that would likely be only in the vicinity of the border; fluid milk processing and consumption is still mostly regionally based. The majority of American dairy will (is) primarily solids (cheese, butter, yogurt, etc) for retail sale and processed industrial components (milk fats, cream, whey, etc) that are used for further processing into shelf products.

Though there is inspection (?) of imported American products at what stage would the push be that we accept American standards or slack off on testing of their dairy products? The major difference between them and us is their use of bovine growth hormones (increases milk production) and antibiotics; while their use of hormones is in about 15% of the industry, both of these in Canada is zero (not allowed). I am also not confident that, with the current US administration, disease control in animal herds may not be as stringent as we may want. An example of that kind of thinking straying into our backyard barnyard is the comments of their Secretary of Health (the loony member of the Kennedy clan) about the culling of Canadian ostriches.

 

[lenaitch]

The "400%" tariff line he keeps repeating is right up there with they subsidize us with $XXBillion in trade or all their fentanyl comes from us.

True that there are high tariffs (actually it is 270% not 400 but I could be wrong) on some US dairy product imports but that is only after a tariff-free quantity. Only approximately 1% of US imports are subject to high tariffs.

Overall, they export about about twice as much to as we do to them. Apparently Wisconsin has more dairy cows that all of Canada.

I would also be concerned about the antibiotic and hormone level in US dairy.

The US likes to perpetuate the myth that their agriculture sector is pure free market and everybody else is socialist.

 

[Czech_pivo]

The "400%" tariff line he keeps repeating is right up there with they subsidize us with $XXBillion in trade or all their fentanyl comes from us.

True that there are high tariffs (actually it is 270% not 400 but I could be wrong) on some US dairy product imports but that is only after a tariff-free quantity. Only approximately 1% of US imports are subject to high tariffs.

Overall, they export about about twice as much to as we do to them. Apparently Wisconsin has more dairy cows that all of Canada.

I would also be concerned about the antibiotic and hormone level in US dairy.

The US likes to perpetuate the myth that their agriculture sector is pure free market and everybody else is socialist.

Trump's latest whim of having Coke switch over to cane sugar in place of HF corn syrup will be another nail in the coffin of the American grain farmer. First the gutting of USAID, then the Potash tariff, then the rounding up of their Indentured Servants and now the cutting of HF corn syrup from Coke (if it happens).

An awful lot of American farmers are going to be going under because of this. Talk about corporate farming takeovers, this is it.

 

[PuckChaser]

HF corn syrup is a trash additive. If they've built a farm based on fueling obesity, I wouldn't be heartbroken if they had to sell to corporations.

 

[PrairieFella]

HF corn syrup is a trash additive. If they've built a farm based on fueling obesity, I wouldn't be heartbroken if they had to sell to corporations.

Where they will continue to grow corn but with the added benefit of the abysmal environmental records of corporations, a lack of connection to the community which further entrenches the owner-renter castes that are developing and a loss of tax revenue when the corporate entity uses loopholes to hoover all of the profits off to Panama or Ireland.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

HF corn syrup is a trash additive. If they've built a farm based on fueling obesity, I wouldn't be heartbroken if they had to sell to corporations.

Cane sugar also reduces the glucose index of foods, reducing risks of type 2 diabetes.