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Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

Soooooo THIS is why US-Canada trade talks have stalled & we are one of the very few countries get to receive a trade deal.

We aren't honouring the one we already have.


Ah, setting the stage for the U.S. to just giving notice of walking away from CUSMA, leaving the situation even MORE chaotic - nice ...
 
The fact that we have enough money to lend China a billion dollars (at a time when they have basically shut their markets off from us) but can't seem to find the money to invest in wild land firefighting capability and capacity honestly feels like criminal level negligence...

This Carney government has been pissing me off the same way the Trudeau/Freeland government did. It smells like the same kind of deliberate bone-headedness - at best.



Wildfires are an issue every single summer in Canada - this isn't new.

Given just how vast our territory is & how much of that is boreal forest, the fact that the federal government seems to be playing whack-a-problem every summer is just depressing.

I think OP Lentus is going to an ongoing annual operation for the foreseeable future.

As much I would love to lay our current situation at the feel of Liberal governments, I think this goes well beyond them.

We're a stupid citizenry that makes everything a priority and demands the Gov fix everything.

Canada is broken. And it's not the Liberals fault.
 
As much I would love to lay our current situation at the feel of Liberal governments, I think this goes well beyond them.

We're a stupid citizenry that makes everything a priority and demands the Gov fix everything.

Canada is broken. And it's not the Liberals fault.
yeah it is their fault. The voting masses expect them to fix the problems because their election platforms have specifically said that they would address each issue even though they have to business doing so. Health care, no problem. they mandated universal and then didn't provide the funds to cover it. Doctor shortage: no problem, except their immigration policies have saturated our medical colleges with foreign applicants who pay the big bucks and take the positions. They have pushed their noses into every corners where they can make an issue and gain a vote so yes, it is their fault. I think the first half of your statement is at least partially true. Canada is BADLY BENT and the Liberals have bent it.
 
Canada is broken. And it's not the Liberals fault.
Canada IS broken, but I have to respectfully but violently disagree with you on who's fault it is.

It is 100% the Liberal's fault. (In my opinion, anyway...)

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The Liberal government has been at the helm for the past 10 years. I have a hard time blaming anybody but them for our current troubles - although I will lump the NDP in with them.


Getting rid of a points based and merit based immigration system in favour of mass unvetted immigration was their idea. The citizenry certainly didn't get a say.

They've made it near impossible for kids born in Canada to get entry level jobs in Canada because a lot of those businesses prefer to hire temporary foreign workers for less money instead. The citizenry certainly weren't asked if they wanted their immigration policies changed.


They promised the most transparent government in Canadian history, and then became anything but once in power.

They even prorogued Parliament because the House of Commons was ground to a halt until the Liberals handed over documents to the RCMP - which they were so reluctant to do they actually chose to prorogue parliament instead.

(I know Lumber explained the whole thing, twice - and Lumber I absolutely DO believe that the general bsckgrounder to what you said was probably accurate. But the RCMP wouldn't have been involved and requesting documents if there was nothing to see there, especially if those funds go out annually.)

There was some kind of fishy business going on there, the police wouldn't have gotten involved if there wasn't.

And if there truly wasn't anything fishy happening, a simple explanation from the responsible Cabinet member or senior beaurucrat probably would have sufficed & it wouldn't have hit the news in the first place.

(That's what my gut tells me anyway, maybe I'm wrong...)


Anyways moving on...


They've corrupted the corporate media with their media subsidies to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars annually.

How critical is the media really going to be when it's the government essentially paying them their paycheques & their bonuses?)

(Don't even get me started on the CBC and their bulls**t...)


They've doubled the national debt to the point where our interest payments on our debt are now larger than provincial health transfers.

And the scary thing is they are spending even more now than they did under Trudeau...

And on what, exactly? 🤷‍♂️

Whatever it is they are spending all this money on, is it worth having interest payments larger than our provincial health transfers?

When does the line on the government spending graph start to move downwards? Or does it ever?

When does that line intersect with the 'not sustainable' line on the graph?

(At this rate, it can't even start to go downwards until there is a fundamental shift in government. The government can't treat a capitalist economy as if it's a socialist economy & expect great results. They also can't expect to tax the hell out of Canadians forever if they do everything they can to limit & destroy Canadian industries/jobs)

41k job losses JUST IN JULY ALONE...




I could literally go on with another half dozen examples just off the top of my head, and that's without really even thinking about it.

The subsidy-funded going on & on because the US has put tariffs on the whopping 6% of our trade with them that isn't covered under CUSMA (NAFTA 2.0) while totally ignoring the very justified reason for those tariffs is another example of how the LPC has broken Canada.

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$10 a day daycare? $10 a day daycare at the same time they are allowing mass unvetted immigration into the country? I mean come on people...

How about free or partially covered dental care for all? (Well, only for those of you peasants who make less than 6-figures a year...which is the vast majority of us)

Believe me, I need some serious dental work these days. I got kicked in the jaw a while back which cracked a few teeth, that have subsequently & painfully since come out. I'm working on it. My point here is I could absolutely use the free dental care if I didn't have a plan through work - but even if I didn't, I wouldn't want the country to go into even more debt to pay for it. Especially at a time when the country is broke



Sorry Halifax!! The above rant isn't aimed at you!!

All that just to say "I respectfully disagree..."


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Soooooo THIS is why US-Canada trade talks have stalled & we are one of the very few countries get to receive a trade deal.

We aren't honouring the one we already have.


What I read in there was ‘Canada won’t just kowtow to us and said some mean words back to us after we threatened to annex their country’.

A lot of victim blaming in there, refusing to acknowledge who started it and why.
 
Canada IS broken, but I have to respectfully but violently disagree with you on who's fault it is.

It is 100% the Liberal's fault. (In my opinion, anyway...)

I'm of two schools of thought.

First one is Canada isn't broken, because Canada is still one of the best countries on the planet and people of all backgrounds want to come here.

Second school of though it maybe Canada is facing enough problems to be considered broken, but in that case, which G7, G20 nation isn't broken?

France has a ballooning debt and a deadlocked parliament, the UK is stuck in a zero growth cycle that is struggling in a post Brexit world, Italy has a massive debt burden and shirking population with an exodus of young people, German economic model is getting slammed by higher energy costs due to cheap Russian oil a gas exiting their system, Japan is politically unstable with a massively older population, rock bottom birth rates, and a debt burden that makes Canada look like a rock star and then you have the USA, the bastion of chaos as it undergoes yet another political realignment, while suffering from ever increasing debt burdens that neither party cares to deal with.

So either Canada is broken and everyone is broken, or Canada isn't broken.
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The Liberal government has been at the helm for the past 10 years. I have a hard time blaming anybody but them for our current troubles - although I will lump the NDP in with them.
I feel like Canada has been struggling from before 2015.
Getting rid of a points based and merit based immigration system in favour of mass unvetted immigration was their idea. The citizenry certainly didn't get a say.
We still have the points and merit based immigration system. It was all the other sources of immigration that went haywire. But again, and I find this hilarious, Trudeau accused Harper of drastically increasing the levels of TFW and Trudeau was right. He just went and increased it more. Both parties seem beholden of corporate interests. How many articles do we see come out every time the government throttles down immigration? I see many. Corporate news media does not side with ordinary Canadians and for every article we see that comes out begging for more TFW, there are probably 10 lobbyists behind the scenes begging for the same thing.
They've made it near impossible for kids born in Canada to get entry level jobs in Canada because a lot of those businesses prefer to hire temporary foreign workers for less money instead. The citizenry certainly weren't asked if they wanted their immigration policies changed.
Absolutely agree. But if you think that's a LPC thing only, check what provincial conservative governments are up to.
They promised the most transparent government in Canadian history, and then became anything but once in power.
Agreed. It's almost as if politicians lie.
They even prorogued Parliament because the House of Commons was ground to a halt until the Liberals handed over documents to the RCMP - which they were so reluctant to do they actually chose to prorogue parliament instead.

(I know Lumber explained the whole thing, twice - and Lumber I absolutely DO believe that the general bsckgrounder to what you said was probably accurate. But the RCMP wouldn't have been involved and requesting documents if there was nothing to see there, especially if those funds go out annually.)
I believe the RCMP were not asking. It was parliament that voted to give it to the RCMP.
There was some kind of fishy business going on there, the police wouldn't have gotten involved if there wasn't.
Police investigations rarely need parliament butting in and hijacking their investigations.
And if there truly wasn't anything fishy happening, a simple explanation from the responsible Cabinet member or senior beaurucrat probably would have sufficed & it wouldn't have hit the news in the first place.

(That's what my gut tells me anyway, maybe I'm wrong...)
I think the LPC tried to explain this multiple times, but they were so unpopular that nobody cared.
Anyways moving on...


They've corrupted the corporate media with their media subsidies to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars annually.
Without subsides corporate media in this country was on the fast track to bankruptcy. Is that any better? Because if the government didn't subsidize the media...the only media left would be the CBC.
How critical is the media really going to be when it's the government essentially paying them their paycheques & their bonuses?)
What would your alternative to corporate media going bankrupt be?
(Don't even get me started on the CBC and their bulls**t...)
Ironically, the only media that would be left around if the government didn't bail out the media industry.
They've doubled the national debt to the point where our interest payments on our debt are now larger than provincial health transfers.
Absolutely. I do feel like COVID had something to do with that however.
And the scary thing is they are spending even more now than they did under Trudeau...

And on what, exactly? 🤷‍♂️
Defense spending for one. Are we complaining about that?
Whatever it is they are spending all this money on, is it worth having interest payments larger than our provincial health transfers?
If it's on defense spending? Ya. Absolutely.
When does the line on the government spending graph start to move downwards? Or does it ever?
Even when Trudeau did this, people didn't care.
When does that line intersect with the 'not sustainable' line on the graph?
We should ask France...or Italy...or Japan...
(At this rate, it can't even start to go downwards until there is a fundamental shift in government. The government can't treat a capitalist economy as if it's a socialist economy & expect great results. They also can't expect to tax the hell out of Canadians forever if they do everything they can to limit & destroy Canadian industries/jobs)
Probably why Carney was elected and Trudeau stepped down.
41k job losses JUST IN JULY ALONE...


80k+ jobs created the month before though. Were you praising the government then? Fact is, month per month job numbers will fluctuate, better to look at quarterly to try to see the big picture
I could literally go on with another half dozen examples just off the top of my head, and that's without really even thinking about it.

The subsidy-funded going on & on because the US has put tariffs on the whopping 6% of our trade with them that isn't covered under CUSMA (NAFTA 2.0) while totally ignoring the very justified reason for those tariffs is another example of how the LPC has broken Canada.
Which reason? Fentanyl flooding across the border? Illegal immigration? Both proven to be non issues? Those reasons?

Or should we take a deal like the EU and allow 15 percent tariffs across the board as opposed to 0 on CUSMA compliant trade and 35 on non CUSMA compliant trade. Or a 10 percent across the board like the UK?

Under the current no deal environment we have the SECOND smallest tariffs numbers in the entire world versus the USA. I think we get beaten by Mexico. Why sign a deal like the UK or EU when we can just continue to use CUSMA?
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$10 a day daycare? $10 a day daycare at the same time they are allowing mass unvetted immigration into the country? I mean come on people...
I fail to see a correlation. Can you elaborate?
How about free or partially covered dental care for all? (Well, only for those of you peasants who make less than 6-figures a year...which is the vast majority of us)
And for those without a plan provided by their employer.
Believe me, I need some serious dental work these days. I got kicked in the jaw a while back which cracked a few teeth, that have subsequently & painfully since come out. I'm working on it. My point here is I could absolutely use the free dental care if I didn't have a plan through work - but even if I didn't, I wouldn't want the country to go into even more debt to pay for it. Especially at a time when the country is broke
I'm sorry to hear that. Sounds painful.

I lump dental care under healthcare. Most countries provide some sort of pharmacare or dental care. People shouldn't need to decide between food and dental work.
Sorry Halifax!! The above rant isn't aimed at you!!

All that just to say "I respectfully disagree..."


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I suppose I also respectfully disagree.
 
Not sure where to put this so I chose here since this will be a test of the government. So far only CBC (Radio Canada) has this (Edit: Other media have it now too) but it looks like the Air Canada union is going to wildcat strike against the Labour Minister’s return to work order pending binding arbitration. Flights were supposed to resume this evening.

This is freshly breaking but appears to be reported based on a communique from CUPE’s Air Canada chapter to its members.

Needless to say this could be a pretty significant showdown between PM Carney’s government and organized labour, and potentially his first really significant domestic political crisis. I’ll be watching for some pledge to legislate a change to the Canada Labour Code when Parliament resumes in a few weeks.


Edit: English media picking it up now too.

 
Not sure where to put this so I chose here since this will be a test of the government. So far only CBC (Radio Canada) has this (Edit: Other media have it now too) but it looks like the Air Canada union is going to wildcat strike against the Labour Minister’s return to work order pending binding arbitration. Flights were supposed to resume this evening.

This is freshly breaking but appears to be reported based on a communique from CUPE’s Air Canada chapter to its members.

Needless to say this could be a pretty significant showdown between PM Carney’s government and organized labour, and potentially his first really significant domestic political crisis. I’ll be watching for some pledge to legislate a change to the Canada Labour Code when Parliament resumes in a few weeks.


Edit: English media picking it up now too.

His banker background is showing. He has always been part of the management team to whom labour disruptions are an unnecessary expense. I personally don't agree with strikes as I fail to see where the lose of a week or two pay can ever be regained regardless of the final settlement. Plus, Canada has lost a lot of industry because of greedy unions: for instance all the fish packing houses on the west coast that closed in the last decade. But having said that, there is nothing illegal about a strike and they are part of the rules under which contracts are negotiated. Air travel on a specific carrier is not essential: there are other carriers and other transportation modes. If it comes to legislation it will be interesting to see what position the NDP take but only if the conservatives oppose the proposed legislation. Will they actively try to bring down the government or will they simply mouth platitudes.
 
His banker background is showing. He has always been part of the management team to whom labour disruptions are an unnecessary expense. I personally don't agree with strikes as I fail to see where the lose of a week or two pay can ever be regained regardless of the final settlement. Plus, Canada has lost a lot of industry because of greedy unions: for instance all the fish packing houses on the west coast that closed in the last decade. But having said that, there is nothing illegal about a strike and they are part of the rules under which contracts are negotiated. Air travel on a specific carrier is not essential: there are other carriers and other transportation modes. If it comes to legislation it will be interesting to see what position the NDP take but only if the conservatives oppose the proposed legislation. Will they actively try to bring down the government or will they simply mouth platitudes.
I mean, if there’s a time for the NDP to materialize back into existence, this is it…

I couldn’t see this bringing down the government. Even hypothetical back to work legislation wouldn’t likely be a confidence matter.

More likely we see an amendment to the Canada Labour Code that changes whatever currently allows for unpaid ground hours. That would eliminate one of the biggest sticking points and out this back mostly to being a straight rate of pay issue. However I don’t have any feel for what other industries might also be affected by that rule and if there’s would be second and third order effects.

I think the government will defend their actions here under the guise of economic necessity given current economic tumult. I don’t have a formed opinion on most of this right now but I would lean towards disagreeing with that. Canada has other airlines both domestically and operating here that can move people and goods.
 
All flight crew should be financially compensated for work done on the ground.
Absolutely agree. I personally feel the employee should be paid when they show up, in uniform and start taking orders/directions

. It should be run by the government again
Ummmm no. The government couldn't run a birthday party for five year olds. If this was run by government, the cost would balloon 10 times andf the service decrease to a crawl.
 
Absolutely agree. I personally feel the employee should be paid when they show up, in uniform and start taking orders/directions


Ummmm no. The government couldn't run a birthday party for five year olds. If this was run by government, the cost would balloon 10 times andf the service decrease to a crawl.

Yeah, looks awful the poor things ;)

MONTREAL, August 14, 2025 – Air Canada today clarified commentary that has been made publicly about its offer to the Canadian Union of Public Employees (CUPE) representing 10,000 flight attendants at the airline. Under the proposal, which seeks no concessions, there is a 38 per cent increase in total compensation over four years and:

  • A new provision for ground pay that is industry leading in Canada.
  • Hourly rates would go as high as $94 an hour in the first year.
  • Hourly pay would increase by 12-to-16 per cent in the first year. This consists of a combined eight per cent increase in the hourly wage plus another four-to-eight per cent increase through a new ground pay formula in the first year alone.
  • By 2027, senior flight attendants would earn $87,000 annually on average, and 20 per cent of flight attendants would earn $90,000 or more a year.
  • There would be significant improvements to health benefits and pension plans, including the legacy Defined Benefit pension plan. Air Canada is the only airline in the country to offer its flight attendants access to a pension that includes a defined benefit component.
  • Meaningful quality of life improvements, including an increase to paid vacation, and measures to address union concerns about rest and work-life balance. This includes changes to crew complement on aircraft to reduce inflight workloads.
  • It will make Air Canada Flight Attendants the best compensated in Canada. Already, cabin crew earn up to $17 more per hour than their counterparts at the company’s largest domestic competitor.
 
Yeah, looks awful the poor things ;)

MONTREAL, August 14, 2025 – Air Canada today clarified commentary that has been made publicly about its offer to the Canadian Union of Public Employees (CUPE) representing 10,000 flight attendants at the airline. Under the proposal, which seeks no concessions, there is a 38 per cent increase in total compensation over four years and:

  • A new provision for ground pay that is industry leading in Canada.
  • Hourly rates would go as high as $94 an hour in the first year.
  • Hourly pay would increase by 12-to-16 per cent in the first year. This consists of a combined eight per cent increase in the hourly wage plus another four-to-eight per cent increase through a new ground pay formula in the first year alone.
  • By 2027, senior flight attendants would earn $87,000 annually on average, and 20 per cent of flight attendants would earn $90,000 or more a year.
  • There would be significant improvements to health benefits and pension plans, including the legacy Defined Benefit pension plan. Air Canada is the only airline in the country to offer its flight attendants access to a pension that includes a defined benefit component.
  • Meaningful quality of life improvements, including an increase to paid vacation, and measures to address union concerns about rest and work-life balance. This includes changes to crew complement on aircraft to reduce inflight workloads.
  • It will make Air Canada Flight Attendants the best compensated in Canada. Already, cabin crew earn up to $17 more per hour than their counterparts at the company’s largest domestic competitor.
Subject to fact checking, my understanding is that their last contract was 2015, and that this would come in below inflation for the total period covered. If it’s a net loss in real terms, no amount of dressing up the numbers can change that.

The pay for a 20+ year flight attendant does indeed look pretty decent, but it’s a long and steep ramp to get there. Their junior members carry much of the same responsibility, arguably more of the hardship, have more ground hours relative to paid flight hours due to less preferential shorter flight legs, and they still have to live in the expensive areas close enough to major airports.

What I’m not hearing is any real number of flight attendants coming out counter to their union and saying “no, we should take this”. That’s telling.
 
Subject to fact checking, my understanding is that their last contract was 2015, and that this would come in below inflation for the total period covered. If it’s a net loss in real terms, no amount of dressing up the numbers can change that.

The pay for a 20+ year flight attendant does indeed look pretty decent, but it’s a long and steep ramp to get there. Their junior members carry much of the same responsibility, arguably more of the hardship, have more ground hours relative to paid flight hours due to less preferential shorter flight legs, and they still have to live in the expensive areas close enough to major airports.

What I’m not hearing is any real number of flight attendants coming out counter to their union and saying “no, we should take this”. That’s telling.
How would we hear about that though?

There could be many flight attendants who are either for or against what's on the table currently - how would we ever hear from them directly unless they post something to social media?
 
How would we hear about that though?

There could be many flight attendants who are either for or against what's on the table currently - how would we ever hear from them directly unless they post something to social media?
Lots of them are posting to social media from accounts whose posting history is consistent with being AC flight attendants. We would hear- messages like that cannot be meaningfully suppressed anymore. That dissension got quite public in the case of the Canada Post strike, and contributed to the order by CIRB to allow a vote on the employer’s proposal (though it lost by a relatively narrow margin).

We had a family friend over a few nights back who’s a pretty senior AC flight attendant and spoke pretty candidly. There’s a major pay and benefits gulf between junior and senior. The senior FAs are largely in solidarity with the juniors on this. Looks like the pilots are backing them too.
 
What I read in there was ‘Canada won’t just kowtow to us and said some mean words back to us after we threatened to annex their country’.

A lot of victim blaming in there, refusing to acknowledge who started it and why.
Fair points.

I have to admit though, I'm not following the last part, re victim blaming


Mind clarifying what you mean, so my reply actually makes sense?
 
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