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Oldgateboatdriver
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She's not red. She's ginger.
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I'm reminded of Sarah Silverman at a roast of Pamela Anderson. "We were both in the bathroom earlier today and I saw Pamela's natural hair colour. Her natural hair colour is bald."
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New Canadian navy vessel’s Arctic deployment postponed by mechanical issue
A mechanical issue has postponed the deployment of one of Canada’s newest naval vessels, which was scheduled to set sail for the Arctic earlier this week.
www.ctvnews.ca
Some thing something Irving.......grumble
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Nothing to do with Irving, things break.New Canadian navy vessel’s Arctic deployment postponed by mechanical issue
A mechanical issue has postponed the deployment of one of Canada’s newest naval vessels, which was scheduled to set sail for the Arctic earlier this week.
Some thing something Irving.......grumble
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New Canadian navy vessel’s Arctic deployment postponed by mechanical issue
A mechanical issue has postponed the deployment of one of Canada’s newest naval vessels, which was scheduled to set sail for the Arctic earlier this week.
Some thing something Irving.......grumble
If you hit a pothole and break part of the suspension of your Toyota, do you blame Toyota? The sea is one big pothole after another: things, particularly machinery and upper decks gear, breaks. As the Chief said above, nothing to see here.
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Left today and already caught up with the other ships. After the Arctic they will deploy to Op Horizon.New Canadian navy vessel’s Arctic deployment postponed by mechanical issue
A mechanical issue has postponed the deployment of one of Canada’s newest naval vessels, which was scheduled to set sail for the Arctic earlier this week.
Some thing something Irving.......grumble
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Glad to be wrong that it didnt have to do with questionable work
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That’s Anne with an “E”…for evisceration. The Butcher of Avonlea.
What would make us an even better & more valuable ally would be if we simply deployed some NTOG personnel onboard the ship so they could execute boardings on their own.
Each ship has a naval boarding team with ample training time & good kit, plus we have NTOG/MTOG (whatever) specifically for higher-risk boardings.
(I'm all for having USCG LEDET's deploy with us if that's how the powers at be want things done. But I'm sure they would appreciate having an ally that was self-sufficient and they didn't have to lend a team to. If Canadian vessels can board suspect ships & seize huge drug shipments in the Persian Gulf & elsewhere on the other side of the world, surely they can seize drugs in the Caribbean too...no??)
BZ to the crew & all involved!! Fantastic job!
HMCS William Hall Seizes Over 1,300 Kilograms of Cocaine During Caribbean Operations - Canadian Military Family Magazine HMCS William Hall Seizes Over 1,300 Kilograms of Cocaine During Caribbean Operations - Canadian Military Family Magazine
Each ship has a naval boarding team with ample training time & good kit, plus we have NTOG/MTOG (whatever) specifically for higher-risk boardings.
(I'm all for having USCG LEDET's deploy with us if that's how the powers at be want things done. But I'm sure they would appreciate having an ally that was self-sufficient and they didn't have to lend a team to. If Canadian vessels can board suspect ships & seize huge drug shipments in the Persian Gulf & elsewhere on the other side of the world, surely they can seize drugs in the Caribbean too...no??)
BZ to the crew & all involved!! Fantastic job!
HMCS William Hall Seizes Over 1,300 Kilograms of Cocaine During Caribbean Operations - Canadian Military Family Magazine HMCS William Hall Seizes Over 1,300 Kilograms of Cocaine During Caribbean Operations - Canadian Military Family Magazine
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I don't think we can legally. The MOU with the US is quite clear. I also don't think AOPV has a organic boarding party although they are certainly set up for it.
Is the MOU because it is an American-led operation? Or do Caribbean waters somehow fall under US jurisdiction because of their proximity? (Silly question, just trying to stretch my brain a bit)
On second thoughts maybe it's better if the USCG LEDET's do the boardings as I am sure there are individuals arrested often enough that would need processing & transport + the behind the scenes admin work that nobody thinks about + detention of such individuals until handed over to an accredited agency
Or maybe U.S. laws are more punishing for Drug criminals apprehended by the U.S.C.G.?
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We are not seizing drugs in the Persian gulf because we are going after drug runners. We are seizing them as a by-product of anti-terrorism and anti-piracy operations carried out under United Nations mandate. If the RCN happens to find drugs, they seize it to de-fund terrorist organizations. You may notice that we don't prosecute the drug runners in Canada, so don't carry out arrests.
Now! Question: Which countries are the drug-running vessels in the Caribbean coming from and which country are they going to?
Exactly! I didn't see anyone mentioning Canada. So, first year Criminal law question: What right has a Canadian warship to intercept/arrest a non-Canadian vessel and/or their non-Canadian crew, in non-Canadian waters, for possibly committing a crime in a country other than Canada? Answer: None. So we couldn't charge the runners with anything.
The Americans, on the other hand, do have laws that let them go after foreign vessels that are likely to be attempting to illegally import drugs into the US. It is therefore only logical that they would be doing the legal work of obtaining the proper evidence as may be required under their criminal law and ensuring the security of the chain of possession of such evidence.
Why are we involved in OP CARIBE then? Because it is in our interest to support the American actions, since some of the drugs entering the US from the South tend to somehow find their ways to our Southern border. So we may as well help the Americans to stop them one border further South if we can.
Now! Question: Which countries are the drug-running vessels in the Caribbean coming from and which country are they going to?
Exactly! I didn't see anyone mentioning Canada. So, first year Criminal law question: What right has a Canadian warship to intercept/arrest a non-Canadian vessel and/or their non-Canadian crew, in non-Canadian waters, for possibly committing a crime in a country other than Canada? Answer: None. So we couldn't charge the runners with anything.
The Americans, on the other hand, do have laws that let them go after foreign vessels that are likely to be attempting to illegally import drugs into the US. It is therefore only logical that they would be doing the legal work of obtaining the proper evidence as may be required under their criminal law and ensuring the security of the chain of possession of such evidence.
Why are we involved in OP CARIBE then? Because it is in our interest to support the American actions, since some of the drugs entering the US from the South tend to somehow find their ways to our Southern border. So we may as well help the Americans to stop them one border further South if we can.
Well put & well explained. Seen.
