Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[MilEME09]

Just the infra requirements for Halifax and Esquimalt to support a massively expanded submarine fleet will be in the 10 digits.

Which means jobs,jobs, jobs, especially if SK gets it, their sub fleet maintenance facility proposal would be an economic boom for skilled trades.

 

[Navy_Pete]

Which means jobs,jobs, jobs, especially if SK gets it, their sub fleet maintenance facility proposal would be an economic boom for skilled trades.

We'll still want to do our own maintenance regardless, but also have the option to do DWPs overseas somewhere as well, as having multiple subs in EDWPs is a huge work demand for very limited pool of skilled people.

 

[ArmyRick]

So… What specifically should Parliament be doing at this moment?

Number #1 thing is crime and justice. Canadians on both side of the political leanings are extremely pissed. MP Larry Brock of the CPC (former crown prosecutor) has an excellent bill to propose for bail reform, get the committees spun up, get some movement on this fast. I am sure there are other aspects of bail, crime, etc that need some stick handling. A sitting parliament with committees going would be much quicker.

The crime in Canada is lets be frank, is ridiculous. No pawning this one off on provinces, courts, etc.

Lets look at the Trump handling, those decisions should be before parliament. At the very least it puts pressure on the LPC to do much better.

Recognizing Palestine as a state? A parliamentary vote

Further aid/possible troops on the ground in the Ukraine? Parliamentary vote

Getting major energy projects moving with FN buy in? Parliamentary committees

Cost of food and housing? Parliamentary committees.

Parliamentary committees are nothing to laugh at, they get some major progress going.

At the end of the day, people will tire very quick of excuses and be looking to PM MC for real tangible results on Energy, economy, trade, crime, housing, cost of living. If PM MC plummets in the polls for 8-12 weeks, do you think the Bloc and the CPC will hesitate? Hell, you ALL think the NDP won't support a vote of non-confidence.

 

[ArmyRick]

The announcement for the subs is an absolutely massive one for DND procurement, and when you look at the timelines in kind of unprecedented for something that may be in the $100B range.

Approval for something like that is within Ministerial/Cabinet approval levels, so they are still working away, and I think the fact that Carney is personally visiting both sub yards shows the high level of priority this is getting.

For comparison, took about 10 years of concerted effort to even get approval in principal for the concept, and another 8 years to go through RFI etc. If they make a decision in 2027, that's 4 years total from flash to bang for something much bigger.

Just the infra requirements for Halifax and Esquimalt to support a massively expanded submarine fleet will be in the 10 digits.

So talk to us, Pete, if the magic wand is waved (and it probably will be, big projects like this will make MC look good domestically and internationally), how soon in time estimation would it take to make these sub yards or docks or whatever they are, and then getting them built?

I am not asking rhetorically, I am asking as an army guy who knows nothing about subs.

 

[Eaglelord17]

Which means jobs,jobs, jobs, especially if SK gets it, their sub fleet maintenance facility proposal would be an economic boom for skilled trades.

There is already a boom for the skilled trades. The issue is we don’t have the people trained in those jobs and it takes years to do so.

As a society we failed to run apprenticeships for decades relying on the boomers to mostly take up that work load. Now with the last of them retiring it is a serious issue which takes lots of time to fix, and thats if everyone got serious today (which hint, they all still haven’t).

 

[ArmyRick]

And one final gripe. PM MC had the opportunity to reverse the unrealistic and absolutely stupid no more ICE vehicles by 2035 mandate, starting in 2026. He should have or at least pushed it back.

The auto industry is fighting him on this. This could be yet another achilles heel for Uncle Mark

 

[Halifax Tar]

And one final gripe.

Careful someone might hold you to that

 

[ArmyRick]

Careful someone might hold you to that

its my Liberal promise

 

[Jarnhamar]

when was the last time you received a call from a telephone soliciting service from a person without a distinctive accent? When Bell put in the new fiberoptic service here there were 6 people doing the work on the street and to the houses. There was only one who wasn't a first generation Canadian (benefit of the doubt). That proportion is well outside the statistical norms.

Rogers was pretty bad for a while. I'm sure there are recordings of me profusely apologizing that I can't understand a word of what the technician is saying and asking for someone who speaks English.

I think Roger's got called out on it a while back; now when you call you get "Hi this is Tom from Toronto" in a heavy accent but it's more understandable at least.

 

[YZT580]

There is already a boom for the skilled trades. The issue is we don’t have the people trained in those jobs and it takes years to do so.

As a society we failed to run apprenticeships for decades relying on the boomers to mostly take up that work load. Now with the last of them retiring it is a serious issue which takes lots of time to fix, and thats if everyone got serious today (which hint, they all still haven’t).

worse than that: we told our kids that blue collar = dumb instead of encouraging them to look at skilled trades as providing a viable living. We took a great H.S. programme, the ST&T stream out of a lot of schools that had it. We allowed teachers to denigrate CAF careers.

 

[ArmyRick]

Blast from the past. Interesting what the recent past post foreshadowed (Liberal Minority Government 2021-2025), jus a little snoop of what some of us were thinking politically more than a year ago.

@Remius May 6, 2024
"I’m not. Plenty of blue collar union types that are willing to move their vote. They aren’t social program NDPers and are union NDPers. PPs message is resonating with them."

You called that one correctly.

May 7, 2024
"I’m not sure any replacement will stop the inevitable but it could at least help avoid oblivion."

It seems we were all wrong, replacing Trudeau did make a big difference

@QV May 6, 2024
"Foreign interference should be expected. The loss of faith comes from the shifty handling of this by our own... but point taken."
Yup, spot on.

@Rifleman62 may 7, 2024
"From the polling, it clear the Trudeau Liberals have lost the confidence of Cdn voters to govern. Add the NDP.
Too bad we must wait and undergo further destruction."

If only the NDP had pulled the rug out in the fall of 2024....

@KevinB May 7, 2024
"We welcome Alberta as the 51st state"

A HA! I knew you were secretly an advisor to President Donald Trump

May 8, 2024
"Enjoy your tax burden, and no guns"

Ohhh shi...Damn, do you have a crystal ball?

@CBH99 May 8, 2024
"If Canadians haven't figured out that Trudeau & Freeland are directly responsible for our current economic & social situation as well as our absolutely BLEAK future economic forecasts (if current trends continue) than they'll never figure it out.

By the time the election comes Canadians will have had a decade to make the connection between Trudeau & everything kinda going to shit because of his ideas and policies. If they still haven't come election time, we're homeless as a country..."

Not sure Canada learned. I think changing the boss, some fear factor of the Donald and "elbows up" instant patriotism otherwise not found, we didn't really learn.

@ModlrMike May 13, 2024
"How the Frak do 4 people get 672 contracts?"

Funny, we still DON'T have an answer to that.

@Quirky June 10, 2024
"Wait until the capital gains tax increases and professionals along with doctors start leaving south. The Liberals are still scratching the surface of complete and utter incompetence, there is still much more left in the tank with their bright ideas!"

Yup, still true.

@ArmyRick August 2, 2024

"These are the stupid political games that Canadians are tired of. And its going to cost the NDP and the Liberals big time next election. A few here don't seem to get it."

I still think I am right about political games. I was right the NDP paid the price but damn, I was very wrong about the Liberals paying the price.

 

[MilEME09]

worse than that: we told our kids that blue collar = dumb instead of encouraging them to look at skilled trades as providing a viable living. We took a great H.S. programme, the ST&T stream out of a lot of schools that had it. We allowed teachers to denigrate CAF careers.

yeap, everyone needs a degree to succeed was pushed hard for decades, but we also created a lot of dumb programs that had more intake than job prospects for graduates. We have to start pushing the trades, and sea trades as well where there are critical shortages of people in the civilian world.

 

[ArmyRick]

worse than that: we told our kids that blue collar = dumb instead of encouraging them to look at skilled trades as providing a viable living. We took a great H.S. programme, the ST&T stream out of a lot of schools that had it. We allowed teachers to denigrate CAF careers.

When I was in grade 8 in 1987, I remember doing a careers evaluation and the guidance counsellor words to the effect "You want to study hard and get a university education, all the best jobs in the future will need university. Otherwise you will be stuck doing some job like a plumber or carpenter.."

My step father, a plumber for over 35 years, part time after retiring from ministry of corrections still made $25-30,000/year part time work

My friend Pete, was making $60-80,000 as a carpenter a few years ago.

 

[Altair]

Number #1 thing is crime and justice. Canadians on both side of the political leanings are extremely pissed. MP Larry Brock of the CPC (former crown prosecutor) has an excellent bill to propose for bail reform, get the committees spun up, get some movement on this fast. I am sure there are other aspects of bail, crime, etc that need some stick handling. A sitting parliament with committees going would be much quicker.

Yeah, fair.

The crime in Canada is lets be frank, is ridiculous. No pawning this one off on provinces, courts, etc.

Lets look at the Trump handling, those decisions should be before parliament. At the very least it puts pressure on the LPC to do much better.

Fair, except I don't think we want reserves on the ground.

Recognizing Palestine as a state? A parliamentary vote

Not needed until September.

Further aid/possible troops on the ground in the Ukraine? Parliamentary vote

Not needed until an actual ceasefire and plans for European intervention. Probably not needed for many months, most likely a year or two.

Getting major energy projects moving with FN buy in? Parliamentary committees

Need firm projects first. No parliament needed yet.

Cost of food and housing? Parliamentary committees.

I think PMJT proved that tackling food prices through parliamentary committees is a waste of time. Housing...just get on with it.

Parliamentary committees are nothing to laugh at, they get some major progress going.

At the end of the day, people will tire very quick of excuses and be looking to PM MC for real tangible results on Energy, economy, trade, crime, housing, cost of living. If PM MC plummets in the polls for 8-12 weeks, do you think the Bloc and the CPC will hesitate? Hell, you ALL think the NDP won't support a vote of non-confidence.

I really do enjoy an alternate universe where PP won and you would be saying give him time to undo what PMJT did, something along the lines of we gave PMJT so many years and are judging PP after a few months at the helm. Be patience, and trust PP to get it done.

Methinks you have different standards for PMMC than you would for PMPP.

 

[MilEME09]

welcome to a sure fire way that this project will get stopped by a court, no public consultations for a new proposed coal mine in alberta.

Joint News Release: AER CEO claims unprecedented power to cancel public hearing for coal mine - Alberta Wilderness Association

On August 21, 2025, the CEO of the Alberta Energy Regulator (AER) cancelled the public hearing for Mine 14, an underground metallurgical coal mine near Grande Cache, proposed by Summit Coal Inc.

albertawilderness.ca

 

[ArmyRick]

Methinks you have different standards for PMMC than you would for PMPP.

It took very little for Steve Harper to lose my vote (and in hindsight, he was an excellent PM)

As I said to our MP, Alex Ruff (Former CO 2RCR) I expected you to work hard to earn our votes and I expect you to work even harder to keep our votes.

 

[ArmyRick]

@Altair if your trying to get me in some sort of gotcha moment, stop wasting your time.

I fuck up. I get shit wrong. I read people wrong at times. I know when I have turned down the wrong street and need to back up. Or if my decision to rope a bull by myself turn out to be real foolhardy decision and end up in the hospital. I can admit when I screwed up or got it wrong.

However, I have been correct as many times as as I have been wrong. I don't get complacent and assume everything is exactly as I say it is. I watch closely, I listen to ALL sides of a story or debate. I look for facts not fiction nor fantasy. I believe in the motto from Dwyer hill "Facta non verba" (No, I never served there), its brilliant and sums up real action and real results.

Now to make a few of you choke up. Pierre Poilievre is still the best choice to lead Canada, having reflected on it for the last 3 months or so. Everything he says, still stands true. I listen to very long winded explanations on why its not really the Liberals fault, or Mark Carney not to blame or just give him time. Yeah, enough. Carney needs to eat his words or pull a miracle rabbit out of the hat NOW.

 

[ArmyRick]

Need firm projects first. No parliament needed yet.

As long as bill C69 exist, no one going to commit. Bill C5 seems to be very faint or some confusion about it.

I think PMJT proved that tackling food prices through parliamentary committees is a waste of time. Housing...just get on with it.

You never followed parliamentary committee in the last parliament, did you? The Liberals and the NDP were infamous for stalling out clocks, ending meetings quickly or using it to make partisan attacks. My pet peeve was the "Chair point of order" cry to stall out damn good questions.

The NDP is essentially gone now. Its the Liberals, the Bloc and the Conservatives. Committees can be very progressive.


When are you going to finally admit the Liberals are incompetent? Glad we are having this little talk

 

[PPCLI Guy]

@Altair if your trying to get me in some sort of gotcha moment, stop wasting your time.

I fuck up. I get shit wrong. I read people wrong at times. I know when I have turned down the wrong street and need to back up. Or if my decision to rope a bull by myself turn out to be real foolhardy decision and end up in the hospital. I can admit when I screwed up or got it wrong.

However, I have been correct as many times as as I have been wrong. I don't get complacent and assume everything is exactly as I say it is. I watch closely, I listen to ALL sides of a story or debate. I look for facts not fiction nor fantasy. I believe in the motto from Dwyer hill "Facta non verba" (No, I never served there), its brilliant and sums up real action and real results.

Now to make a few of you choke up. Pierre Poilievre is still the best choice to lead Canada, having reflected on it for the last 3 months or so. Everything he says, still stands true. I listen to very long winded explanations on why its not really the Liberals fault, or Mark Carney not to blame or just give him time. Yeah, enough. Carney needs to eat his words or pull a miracle rabbit out of the hat NOW.

Who are you trying to convince? Your opinion, like your vote, is yours. No need to persuade others. If this is however a vent or screed, enjoy!

Neither of of those options require the level of vitriol that seems to animate the conversation.

 

[ArmyRick]

Neither of of those options require the level of vitriol that seems to animate the conversation

I have seen personal attack after personal attack on Pierre Poilievre for everything he does from breathing to existing to damn near everything in between, and not a word from many of you about Carney's incompetence and failures.

I don't give a damn if I convince you, but I will gladly break up an echo chamber. We need more Canadians to stop being meek and weak, and start telling the other side they disagree, and not back down (unless new FACTS become available).

You don't like what I say or believe because it makes you uncomfortable. Good. I think you will see a shake up sooner rather than later. I challenge you to start calling out the chronic Liberal defenders. Do it.