Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[Halifax Tar]

I don't think most will feel disappointed over this.

Project 2025 architect Kevin Roberts no longer attending cabinet forum - iPolitics

“Regrettably, Dr. Roberts’ office indicated that he can no longer join us to present today,” the PMO said in a statement distributed at the forum. “Our team will continue further engagement and discussions with him and other leading U.S. policy figures soon.”

www.ipolitics.ca

I am surprised the sitting Gov invited him up. But I am not surprised he backed out. That would have been the very definition of a hostile audience IMHO.

 

[IKnowNothing]

Yea, but they shouldn't be. Green parties, in my opinion, should border on being branded eco-terrorists. Their overall philosophy should be that a healthy planet is the only way to preserve the human race as a whole, not just any individual or group of individuals, and therefore cracking a few eggs (i.e. people) in this endeavor is acceptable for the greater good.

I think that part of the issue with these thematic type parties, blending of idealogies, etc is that Canada doesn't know what it is, what it wants to be.
We've lost a lot of the common core of consensus, which really ratchets up the breadth of core philosophies that need to be covered by the "mainstream" political spectrum, which dilutes what the different parties can stand for on the non-core issues as they struggle to align with what voters who agree with their raison d'etre seem to think about largely unrelated issue X.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I think that part of the issue with these thematic type parties, blending of idealogies, etc is that Canada doesn't know what it is, what it wants to be.
We've lost a lot of the common core of consensus, which really ratchets up the breadth of core philosophies that need to be covered by the "mainstream" political spectrum, which dilutes what the different parties can stand for on the non-core issues as they struggle to align with what voters who agree with their raison d'etre seem to think about largely unrelated issue X.

Canada's National Identity Crisis

Justin Trudeau’s post-nationalist nightmare presents an opportunity for conservatives.

modernagejournal.com

 

[Czech_pivo]

I am surprised the sitting Gov invited him up. But I am not surprised he backed out. That would have been the very definition of a hostile audience IMHO.

"Opposition leaders had questioned the appropriateness of giving a platform to someone closely aligned with Donald Trump’s political machine."

Which 'Opposition leaders' would have been nice to know. There are only 2 'Opposition' Leaders in this current Parliament - the BQ and the Conservatives. I'd be a bit surprised if the Conservatives would be against he's participation. The NDP and the Greens are not 'Opposition Leaders', they currently are not officially recognized as being anything but individuals who are MP's who are not part of the Government or the Official Opposition.

For my 2 cents, I'd think that his participation should have occurred. It is so much easier knowing what you're up against when you can listen to the 'other side' directly and actively ask for clarity, examples and explanations.

 

[Halifax Tar]

"Opposition leaders had questioned the appropriateness of giving a platform to someone closely aligned with Donald Trump’s political machine."

Which 'Opposition leaders' would have been nice to know. There are only 2 'Opposition' Leaders in this current Parliament - the BQ and the Conservatives. I'd be a bit surprised if the Conservatives would be against he's participation. The NDP and the Greens are not 'Opposition Leaders', they currently are not officially recognized as being anything but individuals who are MP's who are not part of the Government or the Official Opposition.

For my 2 cents, I'd think that his participation should have occurred. It is so much easier knowing what you're up against when you can listen to the 'other side' directly and actively ask for clarity, examples and explanations.

The CPC is not in support of Trump or his actions. I see no reason they wouldn't have question the appropriateness of this meeting.

 

[QV]

Canada's National Identity Crisis

Justin Trudeau’s post-nationalist nightmare presents an opportunity for conservatives.

modernagejournal.com

Reflections on social disruptions

Beyond shifts in narratives and values, accelerating cultural diversification of national populations has provoked strong reactions. Going forward, distinct value-based visions for societies may come into conflict with one another. And, as people spend more and more in online bubbles defined by shared values, cultural divisions may prove insurmountable.

This ultimately threatens social cohesion, potentially to the point where it may become almost impossible to reach any kind of broad consensus or engage in cooperative action. It could also shift perspectives on the role of the state and the social contract that individuals make with it. This is not an abstract concept. After all, it could affect broad willingness to engage with systems essential to the functioning of society: systems like taxation, education, and healthcare. Ultimately, social splintering on this level could undermine the very notion of national identity and affiliation.

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[The Bread Guy]

... Some people describe the sexual encounter scenes as forceful dominance, aggressive, coercive, and lacking consent ...

I guess one reader's "passionate surrender" is another's "sexual assault" or "rape" - we'll see how AB's rewrite helps out with "Atlas Shrugged" ...

CBE looks forward to ‘common goals’ under new book rules

Alberta’s education minister has shared a list of schools that had four graphic novels flagged to the ministry that were circulating at school libraries in Calgary and Edmonton, amid pushback to a ministerial order directing school divisions to ban books containing sexually explicit content.

www.ctvnews.ca

... although that's not the ONLY thing going on.

Alberta government releases list of Edmonton, Calgary schools where ‘sexually explicit’ books were found

Alberta’s education minister has outed some of the province’s schools where “sexually explicit” graphic novels were found. Minister Demetrios Nicolaides’ list, which he posted to social media Tuesday night, includes 30 public schools in Edmonton and 28 in Calgary. “I initially did not share this...

calgary.citynews.ca

https://twitter.com/x/status/1963068955712749979

For the record (with the usual GIGO caveats), here's Wikipedia listings for the books highlighted by the Minister

Flamer (novel) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Blankets (comics) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Fun Home - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Gender Queer: A Memoir - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Interesting knock-on effects, though ....

'It makes people want to read': Stores see sales spike after Alberta book ban

EDMONTON — An Alberta government order banning some books from school libraries doesn't appear to be deterring people from reading them, say managers at several bookstores.

www.stalbertgazette.com

 

[Halifax Tar]

I guess one reader's "passionate surrender" is another's "sexual assault" or "rape" - we'll see how AB's rewrite helps out with "Atlas Shrugged" ...

CBE looks forward to ‘common goals’ under new book rules

Alberta’s education minister has shared a list of schools that had four graphic novels flagged to the ministry that were circulating at school libraries in Calgary and Edmonton, amid pushback to a ministerial order directing school divisions to ban books containing sexually explicit content.

www.ctvnews.ca

... although that's not the ONLY thing going on.

Alberta government releases list of Edmonton, Calgary schools where ‘sexually explicit’ books were found

Alberta’s education minister has outed some of the province’s schools where “sexually explicit” graphic novels were found. Minister Demetrios Nicolaides’ list, which he posted to social media Tuesday night, includes 30 public schools in Edmonton and 28 in Calgary. “I initially did not share this...

calgary.citynews.ca

https://twitter.com/x/status/1963068955712749979

For the record (with the usual GIGO caveats), here's Wikipedia listings for the books highlighted by the Minister

Flamer (novel) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Blankets (comics) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Fun Home - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Gender Queer: A Memoir - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Interesting knock-on effects, though ....

'It makes people want to read': Stores see sales spike after Alberta book ban

EDMONTON — An Alberta government order banning some books from school libraries doesn't appear to be deterring people from reading them, say managers at several bookstores.

www.stalbertgazette.com

The excerpts from books the Ab gov wants band that I saw provided graphical depictions of various sexual acts. I suspect what we are witnessing is malicious compliance.

You could easily describe me as very sexually open. I believe adults should be allowed to enjoy what ever physical indulgence they desire so long as its all consensual. I even strongly support legalized, regulated and taxed prostitution.

Having said that pornography does not belong in schools, no matter the gender make up of the participants.

 

[daftandbarmy]

The excerpts from books the Ab gov wants band that I saw provided graphical depictions of various sexual acts. I suspect what we are witnessing is malicious compliance.

You could easily describe me as very sexually open. I believe adults should be allowed to enjoy what ever physical indulgence they desire so long as its all consensual. I even strongly support legalized, regulated and taxed prostitution.

Having said that pornography does not belong in schools, no matter the gender make up of the participants.

"Any book worth banning is a book worth reading."

- Isaac Asimov

 

[Halifax Tar]

"Any book worth banning is a book worth reading."

- Isaac Asimov

Then you can get them from a store and read them at home.

 

[IKnowNothing]

Canada's National Identity Crisis

Justin Trudeau’s post-nationalist nightmare presents an opportunity for conservatives.

modernagejournal.com

Valid, but to me that speaks more to a loss of cultural identity rather than political.

In broad strokes, I think there are large portions of the population whose version of "Canada" is a US Red state. There are portions whose Canada is a Euro social democracy (with widely diverging flavours, Scandic vs romance language etc). Hell, within the CPC alone there are both (Scandic model only).

The stronger the core consensus, the more more room for nuanced, topical positions.

Strained analogy - if Canada was buying a house some of the key issues parties are running on are like arguing for a certain colour of walls, 2BR vs 3BR, whether we need a garage etc. meanwhile each election is an unending battle to decide whether or not we want a condo in the city or a hobby farm in the country.

Whereas a country like Sweden largely knows where they want to live, and so has the privilege of having the garage party vs the no garage party.

 

[Jarnhamar]

You could easily describe me as very sexually open. I believe adults should be allowed to enjoy what ever physical indulgence they desire so long as its all consensual. I even strongly support legalized, regulated and taxed prostitution.

Before anyone rolls their eyes at Alberta et el banning these books for being a dog whistle attack on LGBT (which in some cases I believe is what they're doing) it's worthwhile to read about these books.
Specifically the images and controversial content.

 

[ArmyRick]

Some interesting developments in the north, from a Europeans perspective.

Have a watch.

At the time of this posting, that video you showed has 45,400 views and a mere 3100 likes (45:3 roughly views to likes)

My two videos have Northern Perspective 49,000 views and 6200 (49:6 roughly views to likes) likes and Bakes on Things has 7100 views and 1100 likes (7:1 views to likes).

Just saying. Don't draw any conclusions.

 

[IKnowNothing]

Before anyone rolls their eyes at Alberta et el banning these books for being a dog whistle attack on LGBT (which in some cases I believe is what they're doing) it's worthwhile to read about these books.
Specifically the images and controversial content.

Having grown up rurally, going to school in a town where the school library was co-sited and integrated with the public library- unless we're talking about having Hustler or similar on the shelves- the whole thing is a gross overreach.

Make sign out history accessible to parents (or even actively distribute it to them), and age segregate books with a clear an easily used pathway for parents to sign their kids into older sections- but fuck off with trying to dictate what other people's children are allowed to read. Being available in the library is not the same thing as being curriculum required reading.

 

[Remius]

Drawing any conclusions from YouTube video likes and views when an algorithm controls who it gets pushed to is a a bad idea. Not unlike drawing conclusions from crowd sizes at partisan events.

 

[ArmyRick]

Having grown up rurally, going to school in a town where the school library was co-sited and integrated with the public library- unless we're talking about having Hustler or similar on the shelves- the whole thing is a gross overreach.

Make sign out history accessible to parents (or even actively distribute it to them), and age segregate books with a clear an easily used pathway for parents to sign their kids into older sections- but fuck off with trying to dictate what other people's children are allowed to read. Being available in the library is not the same thing as being curriculum required reading.

Have a watch, they cover the book fiasco in this one. Check out the reactions

 

[Altair]

At the time of this posting, that video you showed has 45,400 views and a mere 3100 likes (45:3 roughly views to likes)

My two videos have Northern Perspective 49,000 views and 6200 (49:6 roughly views to likes) likes and Bakes on Things has 7100 views and 1100 likes (7:1 views to likes).

Just saying. Don't draw any conclusions.

I wasn't aware that the like to view ratio was the main point of a view, as opposed to the message of the actual video itself.

Good to know.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Drawing any conclusions from YouTube video likes and views when an algorithm controls who it gets pushed to is a a bad idea. Not unlike drawing conclusions from crowd sizes at partisan events.

You beat me to it.

Good post.

 

[IKnowNothing]

Have a watch, they cover the book fiasco in this one. Check out the reactions

Got a transcript? As a rule I don't consume political information via AV media. Too slow as a rule, and increasingly too entertainment driven to drive traffic

 

[Czech_pivo]

The CPC is not in support of Trump or his actions. I see no reason they wouldn't have question the appropriateness of this meeting.

It would be interesting to see which part of Trump's total overall actions the CPC is supportive of and is not supportive of.

I've not looked at this Project 2025, but I'd be shocked if its total focus or even majority focus is on Tariffs, getting Canada to bend the knee and possibly scrapping CUSMA. Its the other aspects of Project 2025 that I'd like to hear the CPC's thoughts on.

Again, for my 2cents, I'd be all for having this fellow talk to Cabinet and to help further broadened their understanding on what the thought process is on the other side of the hill. The more informed our Cabinet is, the more open their eyes are to the current lay of the land, the better off they will be and we should be.