Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[lenaitch]

Also ponder about how our health care system could collapse under that COA.

It needs a revamp, sure, outright cancellation is a good sound bite for the base but the consequences in many non farming industries could be catastrophic.

I don't know about hospital but nursing homes, attendant care, etc. are heavily staffed by people from the Philippines and S/E Asia, but is that the TFW program? Not every foreigner on a work visa is a TFW.

 

[brihard]

They're supposed to have $20,000 to support themselves for the semester, not including tuition.

Yeah but it’s still costs they have to pay. Just because you’ve previously saved up doesn’t mean you won’t work if able to still help defray those costs. The simple question of “why work?” has an easy answer. Just because the bank of mom and dad is there doesn’t mean the student may not be expected to work and contribute back. Isn’t that exactly the type of ethic we want to cultivate in youth?

How much they should be permitted to work, and in what conditions, is a fair policy question. But why they would work isn’t exactly rocket surgery.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Looks like it might be a real possibility.

Easing Chinese EV tariffs on the table, federal ag minister says

This is especially surprising.

Not sure if any of you have been watching any of the farm reports coming out of the US west/midwest, but there is total fear/panic setting in that China has not bought any soybeans and there seems to be no market for US corn around the world right now. Farmers are close to begging for US Federal aid or subsidies. In all the reports I’ve been watching there is not a single MAGA hat to be found. I think it’s safe to say a fair number are regretting who they voted for right about now.

With Premier Moe being in China, if he’s able to pull off any large scale soybean deal with China right now, alright panic will explode in thenUS AG belt.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Not sure how long since you were last in university or college, but it’s not cheap, particularly when you aren’t paying subsidized domestic tuition rates. Rent and groceries aren’t cheap either. They’re working for the same reasons as the rest of us.

How many of them choosing to attend uni in Europe are able to work, answer virtually zero. How many attending a US uni are able to work off campus, answer zero again.
So, should we be happy that they chose to come here for uni, pay a much higher rate of tuition, add to the student housing, both on campus and off campus, shortage and then take away opportunities for Canadian residents to work and drive youth unemployment to record highs?

 

[lenaitch]

Farmers are close to begging for US Federal aid or subsidies.

But, but, they don't subsidize their ag industry. It's all free market wonderfulness. It's only our socialist system that does things like that and why we need to make concessions.

 

[Quirky]

But why they would work isn’t exactly rocket surgery.

Are they coming here to study or work? I really have zero sympathy for these poor int. students who can’t support themselves. Can’t make it through a year? Leave. We don’t owe them anything especially when they’re taking employment opportunities away from real Canadians.

 

[brihard]

Are they coming here to study or work? I really have zero sympathy for these poor int. students who can’t support themselves. Can’t make it through a year? Leave. We don’t owe them anything especially when they’re taking employment opportunities away from real Canadians.

They are coming here to study and are allowed to work to a limited extent. That limit was loosened and could stand to be tightened back up. But your question about “why” was a simple question with a simple answer.

 

[Czech_pivo]

They are coming here to study and are allowed to work to a limited extent. That limit was loosened and could stand to be tightened back up. But your question about “why” was a simple question with a simple answer.

Why do we allowed them to work 24hrs, off campus, doing any type of work possible? Which other countries in the G7 or EU allow foreign students to do the same? Answer, none of them do.
Why are we? Our 15-24 youth unemployed rate is sky high, it’s ridiculous.

 

[brihard]

Why do we allowed them to work 24hrs, off campus, doing any type of work possible? Which other countries in the G7 or EU allow foreign students to do the same? Answer, none of them do.
Why are we? Our 15-24 youth unemployed rate is sky high, it’s ridiculous.

See the first 2/3 of my reply that you quoted.

 

[suffolkowner]

But, but, they don't subsidize their ag industry. It's all free market wonderfulness. It's only our socialist system that does things like that and why we need to make concessions.

should have chosen supply management

 

[Quirky]

Why do we allowed them to work 24hrs, off campus, doing any type of work possible? Which other countries in the G7 or EU allow foreign students to do the same? Answer, none of them do.
Why are we? Our 15-24 youth unemployed rate is sky high, it’s ridiculous.

My guess is that universities will see sharp drops in enrolment from their cash cows.

 

[brihard]

My guess is that universities will see sharp drops in enrolment from their cash cows.

That’s exactly what has happened, and it’s having major impacts on domestic students. The immediate massive hit to schools’ finances has resulted in many fewer contract instructors being hired, and we have significantly fewer course offerings now than in years past. In some cases it simply means fewer elective courses are available, in other cases it’s hindering students’ progress through mandatory parts of their programs. In extreme cases entire programs are being cut entirely or from some campuses.

So yes- sharp drops in enrolment from cash cows, and that hurts the rest of us.

In the grand scheme of things it’s probably still a necessary and reasonable policy choice for Canada writ large. I’m just describing some of the impacts experienced by Canadians as a result.

 

[YZT580]

That’s exactly what has happened, and it’s having major impacts on domestic students. The immediate massive hit to schools’ finances has resulted in many fewer contract instructors being hired, and we have significantly fewer course offerings now than in years past. In some cases it simply means fewer elective courses are available, in other cases it’s hindering students’ progress through mandatory parts of their programs. In extreme cases entire programs are being cut entirely or from some campuses.

So yes- sharp drops in enrolment from cash cows, and that hurts the rest of us.

In the grand scheme of things it’s probably still a necessary and reasonable policy choice for Canada writ large. I’m just describing some of the impacts experienced by Canadians as a result.

that is because they have become a business rather than an institute of learning. Getting in to med school used to require and honours mark i.e. 80% now it is plus 90. Do you want to bet the kid from Saudi that has your daughter's spot got over 90. But he does have 25 thousand or more for tuition. It isn't just the jobs that are being outsourced, it is the placements too.

 

[brihard]

that is because they have become a business rather than an institute of learning. Getting in to med school used to require and honours mark i.e. 80% now it is plus 90. Do you want to bet the kid from Saudi that has your daughter's spot got over 90. But he does have 25 thousand or more for tuition. It isn't just the jobs that are being outsourced, it is the placements too.

Out of curiosity, what different business model do you propose that would increase course selection and availability? How do you propose that be funded?

You seem to have picked med school specifically for your reply, but I’m speaking more generally than that.

 

[RangerRay]

The main reason foreign students ballooned in Canada since the 1990’s is because governments cut funding dramatically to post-secondary education. The institutions saw foreign students as a way to keep the lights on.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Out of curiosity, what different business model do you propose that would increase course selection and availability? How do you propose that be funded?

You seem to have picked med school specifically for your reply, but I’m speaking more generally than that.

Maybe we could start will the availability of student loans for all students, regardless of their parent income level.
The cost of roughly 25k a year in Ontario for a kid to live and eat in Residence, pay tuition, fees and books is really no different than someone in Connecticut or Michigan or Ohio attending a ‘State’ university but yet pretty much every US student is guaranteed a 5,500$ loan as a starting point regardless of their parents income.

 

[ArmyRick]

Out of curiosity, what different business model do you propose that would increase course selection and availability? How do you propose that be funded?

You seem to have picked med school specifically for your reply, but I’m speaking more generally than that.

First observation. My MIL (mother-in-law) worked at York University for 40 years. She has more than a few tales of downright wasteful spending by University faculty and staff that could embarrass the Liberals. And that is saying something.

Cry me a river, damn near EVERYONE is being forced to be frugal and extremely efficient, so can the universities. Not to mention many Liberal arts and gender studies type programs can be shown the exit.

 

[Nvlgzr]

Maybe we could start will the availability of student loans for all students, regardless of their parent income level.
The cost of roughly 25k a year in Ontario for a kid to live and eat in Residence, pay tuition, fees and books is really no different than someone in Connecticut or Michigan or Ohio attending a ‘State’ university but yet pretty much every US student is guaranteed a 5,500$ loan as a starting point regardless of their parents income.

About 4 years ago I was speaking to someone at U of T receivables office and they counted on foreign students (mostly Chinese) to bring in 50k per year. They are always adding more residences. It is being operated as a for profit corporation.

 

[brihard]

Maybe we could start will the availability of student loans for all students, regardless of their parent income level.
The cost of roughly 25k a year in Ontario for a kid to live and eat in Residence, pay tuition, fees and books is really no different than someone in Connecticut or Michigan or Ohio attending a ‘State’ university but yet pretty much every US student is guaranteed a 5,500$ loan as a starting point regardless of their parents income.

Sure, that would improve access to school for domestic students whose family incomes are too high for government supported loans, but who don’t actually receive financial support from mom and dad. But that doesn’t mean more money coming in to schools from domestic students. It would not replace the cash cows.

I’m sure that, like anywhere, there’s some wasteful spending that universities and colleges could work on reducing. I’m all for that, and right now a lot of them are going through that exercise. That doesn’t negate the impact on domestic students from lost course choices as inevitably some of the cuts hit contract instructors.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Sure, that would improve access to school for domestic students whose family incomes are too high for government supported loans, but who don’t actually receive financial support from mom and dad. But that doesn’t mean more money coming in to schools from domestic students. It would not replace the cash cows.

I’m sure that, like anywhere, there’s some wasteful spending that universities and colleges could work on reducing. I’m all for that, and right now a lot of them are going through that exercise. That doesn’t negate the impact on domestic students from lost course choices as inevitably some of the cuts hit contract instructors.

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