Did anyone else notice that the guy second from the left in the front row looks like he's were a Canadian Flag patch on his upper right arm? Obviously he's not a Canadian (not wearing a RCN uniform), so just wondering what flag that is on his uniform?
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I believe so.
The public version of the mission endurance requirement is a transit distance of 3500NM to the assigned patrol area, then a submerged, zero discretion patrol time of 21 days and then a return transit of 3500NM.
Which translates into a total mission duration of about 60-65 days
Both boats can do this with time and endurance to spare
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It would be interesting to have some submariners go on patrol and see what these subs are like under those conditions. Size and space matters in a sub and being able to do it is one thing, does crew morale suffer because of interior issues is another. I don't have an answer to what crew conditions are like for a long patrol in either, so I have to default to DWT as a guide to which has the potentiel for more liveable space.
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You would too if you were a Lieutenant-General in their Marines, which he is.
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The U212 CD is approximately 2500 tons, while the KS-III Batch II is approx. 3600 tons, so one third larger. Here is an extract from the article I posted earlier:
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I can't belive I missed this article you posted. Its excellent
In particular I like the summary for the difference between the two submarines.
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If we can run patrols under the ice in an Oberon ,I'm sure we can manage in the subs we're purchasing.
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Having known an engineer from the O-boats and his stories of life onboard, one hopes that things are a bit better. I hope crew ergonomics are a significant factor in the final choice of boats.
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Regarding this, I think the following images are from CANSEC 2025 and showcase the size of the bunks on various Korean designs of the KSS line, while also showing some of the amenities like HVAC and entertainment systems in each bunk. The vessels look pretty comfortable, I would be nice to see how the Germans stack up.
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Don't want to burst your bubble ... but we never have. I am not saying any more.
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The Koreans do not miss a detail. There is a hockey game on the entertainment screen…
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Silent Service and all that....
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The German boats have 'Its a long way to Tipperary' pre-programmed on every entertainment system.
Very good article. Looks like it will come down to what mission the RCN is prioritizing . . . A ++stealthy dedicated Hunter Killer boat for the ASW mission or a hybrid Boomer/Hunter Killer that provides exceptional land attack power projection.
His article makes multiple references to the KSS III boats L Ion battery feature, a technology also used by the Type 212 CD and makes no reference about the use of non-magnetic steel in the CD’s hull.
Still wouldn’t want to be the Snr RCN officer tasked with explaining to Parliament why they purchased a boat with a ballistic missile land attack capability that Parliament never authorized.
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