Uh. I said I’d keep my optimism tempered… And that’s understatement. I expect both sides to race each other to frig this up out of sheer truculence.
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I recall the Six Day War and the Yom Kippur war and much much more....there is little chance of any reasonable kind of peace in the ME.
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"We Jews have a secret weapon in our struggle with the Arabs; we have no place to go."
Golda Meir
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Except for the Egyptian-Israeli Peace Treaty that has lasted almost 45 years... the MFO being heavily supported by the U.S. might have something to do with that.
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you are quite correct. However as long as there is this idea that Jews are the most horrible creatures on earth this will linger....it may be suppressed for a bit but it will rear its ugly head again. Things like this are hard to extinguish.
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And one could argue that the UK's leadership is culpable...
UK Prosecutes Synagogue For Provoking Attacker By Being Openly Jewish
MANCHESTER — The Crown Prosecution Service announced that charges had been filed against a Jewish synagogue on Thursday for provoking a violent terrorist attack against themselves by being openly Jewish.
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Money closes the gap in most cases.
The Egyptians offer fierce rhetoric against the Israelis and the MFO at home, but are happy as hell to receive funding and military aid from the U.S., as well as having a strong and reliable trading partner to their East.
Conversely, at home the Israelis use the Egyptians as a scapegoat for enabling the Palestinians in Gaza. They gloss over the information and intelligence sharing they have with Egypt to fight Islamic Terrorism in the Sinai (which often times is conducted without notifying the MFO). They, too, are pleased to have a market for their goods in the area (and Egypt buys a lot of it).
Handshakes and kickbacks can overcome the worst of ideologies; everyone has a price.
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Victim blaming? How fucking low can you go?And one could argue that the UK's leadership is culpable...
UK Prosecutes Synagogue For Provoking Attacker By Being Openly Jewish
MANCHESTER — The Crown Prosecution Service announced that charges had been filed against a Jewish synagogue on Thursday for provoking a violent terrorist attack against themselves by being openly Jewish.
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Um... it's the Babylon Bee - kinda like the Beaverton.
But a grain of truth perhaps...
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It mirrors a REAL story where a man burned a Quran in front of the Turkish consulate in London . A Turkish man man came out and asked what was doing, and after a brief interaction said "I'll be back", went in the consulate and got a knife, then came out and attacked him. The man who, as far as I'm considered committed attempted murder, had his "assault" and "possessing a bladed article" chargers suspended, and the man who was attacked was charged with religiously motivated harassment.
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We - at least some of us - used to blame the victim in rape cases in the 60s. Not far from the truth this story is.
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The UK is moving farther away from Liberalism everyday. Throwing people in jail for months for tweets which don’t even directly call for violence, using anti-porn legislation to try and control what people can and cannot view on the internet, expecting people to give up their freedom of expression and speech so that some won’t be offended, John Locke et al would be disgraced to be British if they knew how far they would fall.
You may have the right to believe whatever you wish, be it in god, allah, vishnu, etc. that doesn’t mean you have the right to prevent someone from criticizing or attacking said beliefs. I weep for what the UK is becoming as this is all fuelling the extremism of Reform and is going to lead to a much larger correction in the long run.
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If the individual with the knife was a diplomat, the they would be unable to proceed with charges without permission from the Turkish government.
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'Freedom of Speech' has never been a thing in the UK in the same way that it has elsewhere, especially North America. Using social media to urge people to burn down other people's houses isn't quite 'cricket' it seems...
Nick Robinson: How the simmering row over freedom of speech in the UK reached boiling point
In the UK, the Human Rights Act does give protection to free speech but as a "qualified right".This means that "governments can restrict that right… provided that the response is proportionate - [or] 'necessary in a democratic society' is what people tend to say", according to Lorna Woods, professor of internet law at the University of Essex.
But some of the comments made at the protest in London earlier this month, billed by far-right, anti-Islam activist Tommy Robinson as a "free speech rally," demonstrate that, despite other controversies, that right isn't that qualified.
How the simmering UK freedom of speech row reached boiling point
How did we reach a point where the UK is being compared to a 'tin pot Third World dictatorship'?
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Meanwhile, protesters being arrested for supporting a proscribed organization...
www.theguardian.com
Police make arrests at Palestine Action protest as demo goes ahead despite PM’s pleas
Officers start arresting activists at silent vigil in support of banned organisation
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I wonder how this will play out? Mass arrests on what ought to be reasonably serious charges - this is antiterrorism law, after all - could jam up their courts pretty badly.Meanwhile, protesters being arrested for supporting a proscribed organization...
Police make arrests at Palestine Action protest as demo goes ahead despite PM’s pleas
Officers start arresting activists at silent vigil in support of banned organisation
Purely for comparison’s sake we don’t have an equivalent to the Brit’s’ criminalization of the simple expression of support for a proscribed group. Our offences related to listed entities require more tangible, material action of facilitation, participation, or financing.
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Unlike them we haven't had thousands killed and 10s of thousands injured by domestic terrorists either, so...
Yup, got it. Regardless, they run the risk of really jamming up their justice system and I’m curious how that plays out.
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It's an 'overtime for all' week for the Old Bill... all the synagogues are being attended too, as are the big sporting events...
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